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GameGrep Etiquette and General Behavior

As a result of comments I've seen recently in articles, I am appalled at the general behavior of members, what with the constant arguments and name calling and etc. I've already made my sweep through this article, and as I've stated here, I will be combing through other recent articles for comments that detract from the social community aspect we strive for on GameGrep.

Now, we've been relatively hands-off as the moderation staff here at GameGrep, only stepping in on the extreme cases. I'm only speaking for myself right now, but I currently do not like how the community is handling itself as of late.

Trashing on people's preferences and opinions? Baiting people to respond to something? A total disrespect for each other?

Are you guys *bleep*ing serious? You guys consider yourself "hardcore" gamers?

Give me a *bleep*ing break.

I've been labeled as a Nintendo fanboy, and I won't hide the fact that I prefer Wii/DS to the other systems because these have the games that I prefer, and contrary to popular belief, there are a large amount of quality games for those systems. However, I'm not just a Nintendo fan: I'm a gaming fan.

Which, I'm assuming, we all are.

As such, have a little respect for other members. Don't be calling someone's favorite game or a game that they really liked a piece of trash just because you don't like it. Quit with the ad hominem attacks and the insults. Tone down or get rid of all of the rage and hate.

The 360, PS3, Wii, DS, and PSP have games anybody can enjoy, and there is no lack of them.
No one console is lesser than the other. The quality games everyone is looking for exist on those consoles. Locking yourself into a single mindset or idealogy doesn't make you any better: it only makes you worse.

Gaming is not about graphics, power, complex gameplay, controls, failure rates, achievements, or trophies.

Gaming is about having everybody having fun, from the new players to the experienced veterans, from those who like motion controls to those who like using a gamepad.

If you don't like a certain console, it is not the worst thing in the world. It is not inferior. It is not a piece of trash. One is not more of a gaming console than the other. They each have their own strengths and weaknesses that balance each other out. You do not have gaming as it is today without all of these consoles.

Just because you like or can do certain things with video games does not make you any more of a gamer. "Casual" gamers are not on a lower tier than "Hardcore" gamers. Your grandparents, parents, and other children are not on a lower tier than yourself when it comes to games.

Remember, we are all gamers. Whether you go PS3, 360, Wii, PSWii, Wii60, or PSWii60, play a whole lot, or play a little from time to time, don't lose sight of the fact that you all have something in common: you play games.

Now, I will admit, myself and the other members of the moderation staff and the Neostaff are as guilty as the rest of you. However, as the ones up top, we will be the role models. Again, I'm only speaking for myself here, but I hope the others will agree with the sentiment.

So, put down your console warrior armor and attitude. That shit isn't appreciated here.

Gaming right now is so diverse that there is place for everything. Let's try to be one of the more progressive communities out there and actually promote unity amongst everyone, and not divide people up based on the preferences.

Have some respect.
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Hear, hear.

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Excellent. I'm actually getting a little sick of the comments from some of the more rabid fanboys on gg.



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Wow, it looks like I will finally visit Gamegrep again.
Thanks a bunch Akira, it really had to be said.




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Aug 28, 09 at 9:53am
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Akira with all due respect, seeing how I do agree with the majority of the post, saying there isn't any games that aren't a piece of trash in not correct: I'll even use GI Joe Rise of the Cobra game for example which RCG made a review and the metacritic review is down to the 40's. Now, I haven't played the game so I can't really give my opinion on it, but there is plenty of games that is below par and actually trash. Now if you meant attacking games which actually got very good scores that people like but baiting a flame war in which someone who may hate the game, GTA4 for example, say "WTF are you SMOKING?! THAT GAME SUCKS BALLS!!" then yea I could see where you're getting at, but really, I think everyone knows that when someone makes a stupid post, or a fanboy post which we all know one individual that comes to mind lately, most will troll them to get themselves kicks and NONE of you seems to care and actually encourages it.

I may be wrong here, but from what I can see, you guys have been extremely lax on the rule enforcement on gamegrep and that's quite a shame. I suppose the "better late than never" mantra is worth stating here but gamegrep as a whole, and I'm not even talking about comments or community needs a big overhaul of some kind(which includes suggestions we have been asking for for a year or two that hasn't come yet due to tek or so being busy). Maybe new mods or something, Idk, but I just seem to feel we need more proactive and aggressive mods on gamegrep which hasn't really been around since gamegrep started. This is just my view though.

Edit: To elaborate more on my first point about saying there's bad games: just because one may find a game great, which I'll use kane and lynch for example, doesn't mean i'm right in saying the game is good as a whole. While I may find something worth enjoying in a game like that or maybe X-Blades, I think the pro and user reviews justify themselves that the game is utter trash from a majority of gamers.


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Aug 28, 09 at 12:14pm
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Final Blade, I think you missed the point. Don't be calling someone's favorite game or a game that they really liked a piece of trash just because you don't like it. - Just because, you, or a bunch of members, or even a whole group with pro and user reviews dislike a game and think it's sub-par/trash, doesn't mean that absolutely everyone will think the same. It's irrelevant if it got a good score or is well publicized or like, there's absolutely no reason at all to rage on a game, and another member, a member said they like. It's all down to opinion, something which everyone is entitled with, and on Neo and it's associated projects, it's prohibited to attack people for theirs.

You say that none of the mods care, and that they're lax on rule enforcement, and even go call for new moderators.. but haven't you read this post? Akira is doing exactly that, cracking down on something that is consistently being a problem and reflects badly on the site.
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Well if this a petition to stop Kave En from accessing Gamegrep then I'm signing.

But seriously some people need to "lrn2speak".




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I said a similar thing almost a year ago and it seems the site's general attitude has remained more or less the same...

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Lately I've noticed that alot of commentors are, to put it blunty, being assholes. I don't know if it has anything to do with the removal of the thumbs-down feature, or if some members have always been like this, but sometimes I get a very unfriendly vibe when reading the comments section certain articles. In particular, articles that are writen by owners of other sites. (It's enough to put me off wanting to comment on certain articles!)

For example, RKRigney's articles often recieve an absolute backlashing from commentors, whether it's because people don't find them funny or don't like the idea that he is promoting his site via Gamegrep, and it often seems to be the same people "attacking" hi articles over and over and over. Even if he was just contributing articles for points (which it's pretty clear he's not) it's very unfair that a group of members band together to bash everything about his article right down to his reasons for posting it.

It certainly doesn't leave a good impression for any new members who join the site the site. Heck, I myself have been wanting to post up some original articles I wrote myself, but am left wondering if I'll recieve a nice bunch of comments or some downright bitchy ones depending on who reads it that day.
Some articles I don't even bother commenting in because of the general negative atmosphere that some of them have in the comments section.
And surely if I'm geting this feeling, then there'd be other people who feel the same way (people who aren't posting up their articles or comments, or who may even leave the site alltogether).
Gamegrep's community is a strange one. Some days the comment sections will be filled with friendly and interesting posts, while other days it's like walking straight into hell. Name calling, fanboyism, arguments (that sometimes span over multiple articles), people ganging up on one another, etc. They're all very common things to see on GG, and it honestly doesn't surprise me that many people get an unfriendly vibe when visiting the site.
The moderators are trying their best to make the site a friendly place to visit. We do deal with the comments/members who cross the line, but that doesn't seem to have prevented the general atmosphere of the site from being a negative one at times.

Anyway that's my rant out of the way.

Perhaps there should be some sort of announcements section somwehere on Gamegrep to post things like this? Only a handful of GG regulars even visit this forum, let alone know it exists.

I also think that expanding Gamegrep in future will help a little. More members = less "cliques" (in theory), though that's an entirely different matter alltogether. Here's hoping that, as Gamegrep becomes a larger site, we'll see less people banding together to attack certain members/sites.



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Aug 29, 09 at 1:35pm
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quote Miss Razz
Some days the comment sections will be filled with friendly and interesting posts, while other days it's like walking straight into hell.
This is probably attributed to the type of articles appearing these days. With the announcement of the PS3 Slim and the 360 price cut, there's been a lot of articles baiting fanboys on both sides. I'm guessing things should be better now since they're both done with. Anyways, that's just my two cents for a possible explanation. But I do agree with Akira's post. The behavior has been pretty disgraceful recently.

And welcome back Andy (?).


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Admittedly, I think I was drawn into making some snide remarks here and there.
Maybe this Taiwan weather has made me crabby.
I think the nature of some articles (mostly from the smaller blog sites) is to draw out this sort of arguing.
The poster sees these reactions and assumes that it will add traffic, so they just write more and post that stuff on GameGrep, seeking more traffic.
I'm not sure we should limit articles, but just proposing that those are the main causes.

Anyway, I was wondering about these long arguments myself, as I have noticed them recently as well.
Have any warning PMs been sent out?


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A few warnings have been sent out and a few bans have been issued as well.



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Final Blade, I think you missed the point. Don't be calling someone's favorite game or a game that they really liked a piece of trash just because you don't like it. - Just because, you, or a bunch of members, or even a whole group with pro and user reviews dislike a game and think it's sub-par/trash, doesn't mean that absolutely everyone will think the same. It's irrelevant if it got a good score or is well publicized or like, there's absolutely no reason at all to rage on a game, and another member, a member said they like. It's all down to opinion, something which everyone is entitled with, and on Neo and it's associated projects, it's prohibited to attack people for theirs.

You say that none of the mods care, and that they're lax on rule enforcement, and even go call for new moderators.. but haven't you read this post? Akira is doing exactly that, cracking down on something that is consistently being a problem and reflects badly on the site.

I'm actually basing this off my experience and what i've seen across Gamegrep I visit every day. I see plenty of posts being allowed that basically continuing the trolling and arguing calling someone an idiot, FinalFantasyFanaticc comes to mind, and a few others. Then I see comments from a Mod saying "I know I shouldn't be saying this but I'm enjoying this bickering" when it really derails the article itself. I've stated this before that there's alot of comments on gamegrep that should really be deleted and as far as punishing the members cause it not only has nothing to do with the article they're provoking flame. Now, I can't speak if there been talks behind closed doors as I'm not aware of and it's entirely possible it's been happening, but based off these things, the more I see gamegrep, the more it's turning into a garbage place cause these members do not at all knows how to comment. I've been told before from Enhance that gamegrep isn't like Neoseeker. the rules are quite stricter and I've gotten my fair share of comments deleted from him for similar reasons even if they was joking. but it seems to me, members constantly abuse the site to talk like assholes and incite flaming and I haven't seen much proactiveness from the mods to make it cleaner. Hell, the image of gamegrep from neo members hasn't exactly been sparkly and awesome.
I think members could have actually responded alot maturely to articles from Master Samo and others who links to HipHopGamer Show. They've shown incredible amount of intelligence and Maturity when responding to people who basically trashes them and makes comments like "Oh it's HHGS, this article is shit" and everyone thumbs them up. From what I've gathered, some of the points he's made or some "predictions" has actually happened, yet no one wants to give him the night of day and talks like immature kids with foul language they use outside in real life. yet at the same time, members believe some noob from N4G forums stating some things and hailing him as some Sony insider.

Remember, i'm not talking about just recently, this has been nagging me for quite some time since gamegrep has been around. People just think they'll get away with everything and continue doing it cause no one given them a ban yet. The only reason I mentioned new mods cause it could start a change in the direction or how they deal with the site. Granted, that was an idea being thrown out there to try and help the site. I want to see it succeed and have a better atmosphere, but some members aren't helping. Obvious trolls should be banned on the spot imo.


At any rate, I see the point you made about games and him, but I figured this was a good time as any to state some things that has been happening on the site I think could definitely be improved. I suppose the saying "Better late then never" applies here.


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Bump because this needs to get on GameGrep's front page again.

BTW, articles are only flamebait if you treat it as flamebait. Learn how to talk about topics with civility, people. Seriously, it's not hard as some of you think it is.


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Just wanted to mention, something has to be done about Kave En. The quality of his comments has increased a lot over the past couple of months, and he isn't making fanboyish comments anymore (well, atleast not too many) but there are still members who automatically report his comments, mock him and provoke him. Somehow its become "cool" to talk trash about him on gamegrep. I noticed that a couple of such comments were deleted, which is awesome, but I don't think thats going to stop it.



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Yea well, they obviously need someone to talk about, let them. I'm sure the mods know all about it.



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