Character Discussion - Cid of the Lufaine, Shinryu, Chaos, and Cosmos
Enormous spoilers in here. In fact, if you haven't beaten gotten all the Chaos/Cosmos Reports, you probably won't know too much. If you wish to skip over getting them all, here are all of the Chaos and Cosmos Reports:
Spoiler: Cosmos Reports
Cosmos Report #01
Your memories are of great significance. Just as you've already realized, this tale is most likely closely related to the coming disaster.
Do you truly believe that is so? My story is merely that of a single researcher... no more than the tale of a mother and child.
I fear the telling of this tale will most likely do little more than add further confusion to people living in a world that has fallen into the depths of despair.
I do not intend to tell them. After taking down your story, I will keep the reports firmly sealed, hidden from the outside world.
Yet, someday, a strong-willed person will uncover the reports. By the time they are read... this story will be no more than a myth. Still, we have a duty to hold it dear. Stories are proof of life, after all.
Come then, speak. Tell the story carved into your memories...
Cosmos Report #02
The child was tiny, nothing about him hinting at the unimaginable power hidden within. Until that power manifested itself, the state was to look after him, but we took the child in and decided to raise him as our own. Looking into those guileless eyes, it was impossible to do otherwise.
We knew all too well the painful truth: he was not ours, and someday he would be taken away by the state. We knew, and yet...
My husband began to question the duty he'd been given. Levistones and airships, these were things he had invented to improve people's quality of life. The child was different. He was a tool of war.
However, disaster loomed on the horizon. The neighboring country had powerful weapons in the form of summons and Omega. We had no other way to stand up to them.
For the sake of a peaceful world, we had to continue his research.
Cosmos Report #03
Once the child began to speak, he would try so hard to express his thoughts. Calling me Mama and him Papa, there wasn't a hint of doubt his love for us.
Whenever the child would smile at us, we, who spent our days preparing for war, were given a small measure of happiness.
However, that pleasant time was soon to end. War had finally begun.
The child was taken from us. The army's decision was swift; they would use the child.
Cosmos Report #04
As the child grew older, so, too, grew his terrifying strength, and with it his usefulness as an instrument of war. But he would not follow the army's orders.
Emissaries from the government took me into custody. Assuming he'd be more likely to listen to orders coming from his "mother", the army asked me to control him.
In the end, the child destroyed the neighboring country. Countless homes were consumed by hellfire; his strength was even enough to seal summons and Omega alike...
The scene could not have been different from that of the underworld.
... Yet, there had been no other way. If a weapon does not perform its function, it is discarded and destroyed. He was no different, the army stressed. That is why I did as they asked. I had to save him.
I wanted to keep the child safe, no matter the cost.
Cosmos Report #05
I steadfastly refused to help the next time the child was called to duty. My husband and I were named traitors and locked deep underground.
As I suffered under the grief of having abetted the murder of countless innocent people, I overheard word of another research project being conducted by the army.
This was to make a clone... one of myself. With it, the state would control the child as they wished, without having to use me.
It was proof of how much the child's power was worth to them that they would go so far.
I could not allow such a thing to happen. Even a created life is a life. Why was it that only he was refused happiness? Why must he be forced to destroy, over and over again?
The date the research was expected to be completed drew near. I decided on a course of action.
Cosmos Report #06
The dungeon into which we were sealed was a cavern, home to many monsters.
After studying the traits of these monsters, my husband and I were able to exploit them to escape. Watching our backs the whole time, we ran to the research facilities where the child was being kept.
At the labs we found a specimen that, while still unfinished, still resembled me a great deal. With it was the child. I barely recognized him, he was so gaunt. His eyes were vacant, a hazy flash of hatred flickering deep within them.
There wasn't time to speak in-depth, so I explained the situation as best I could, and we set off together.
Cosmos Report #07
It happened while the three of us were fleeing... A soldier spotted me, and I was shot.
The rest is only nits and pieces... The sensation of falling. The child's wail, as if from a great distance. A sharp, dark premonition. My husband's face, dark with rage...
Sadly, my premonition was dead-on. A space-time distortion appeared in front of the child, and began to draw everything within. The darkness grew into an enormous vortex...
I remember nothing after that. I lost consciousness. When I next woke, I was in the ruined shell of the research laboratory.
Neither the child nor my husband were anywhere to be found.
Cosmos Report #08
Originally, we were both from a clan that handed down memories through ritual ceremony. In addition to my own unique traits, my husband's intelligence and technical skill are also boons of this tradition.
I decided to use the teleportation device we had meant to use for our escape to return to the clan. That way, even if I died, our memories could live on as they should.
I arrived in the middle of a forest. Nearby was the village, Wing of the Hawk, where our clan lived in peaceful tranquility.
Suddenly, as if fleeing from the darkness that had appeared in the world, the clan used the Levistones my husband had left so that the village itself began to float in the air.
I explained the situation, and they quickly understood. They immediately began the memory successor ceremony...
Cosmos Report #09
So, those are all of the memories you've inherited, then?
Yes. Though I am averse to the transcience of the written word, the skill of handing down memories is a dying art. These memories are too precious to die with it.
Do you believe there is some connection between what you've just told me and the Four Fiends who currently aim to wreak havoc within the world?
That is something even I do not know. However, it seems that several locations key to the story overlap.
In the memories, they are places with fissures in space-time. The places where the Four Fiends reside... Each and every one of them are locations from my memories.
Cosmos Report #10
I see... Thank you. I give my word that we will keep the history you have allowed me to record in confidence.
...Lukahn, if you would allow me to ask you a question for once?
The ones of whom you have prophesied, the four Warriors of Light... You say they will save the world from disaster. Will warriors bearing the crystals truly appear?
It is true men call me a sage, but in truth I am a historian. The omen echoes from worlds that have been and worlds that will be.
The Warriors of Light will most certainly appear.
And with them, this world-no, the people of this world-can finally be freed from this endless cycle of death and rebirth.
Spoiler: Chaos Reports
Chaos Report #01
Who...what am I? My name no longer holds any meaning in this world.
Long, long ago, my entire homeland quaked in fear of the attack of unknown destroyers.
I searched for a final salvation. At last, I found it...the power of discord, a power that consumes and controls all others. Intoxicated by its potential, my homeland asked me to strengthen it--to use it more and more.
Yet, the one bearing that power had no desire to destroy any more than was necessary. Frustrated, the country culled his memories to create a new being...one of harmony that could subdue and control discord.
Chaos Report #02
Even if I can create a being of harmony to manipulate discord, I cannot recreate the one I loved.
An irreplaceable person has been stolen from me. Now, here in this new world, my new goal is clear. I will use anything I must to achieve it.
Once the homeland decided that dedicating itself to creating the ultimate weapon was in the country's best interests... It is long past time to complete that task.
One might ask if there is any connection between this decision and the loss of my wife... To that, I say I am a scientist. I know well the line between public and personal matters.
...And it is drawn here.
Chaos Report #03
I have entered into a contract with a certain dragon wandering through space and time.
I asked that whenever a conflict between the gods ends, the defeated god be brought back with new pawns to start fighting again.
In payment, I gave up my flesh. Already, it was weak and feeble, thus its loss has been even less of an inconvenience than I imagined.
I need discord to absorb even greater powers... this is the only way to salvation left to me.
Chaos Report #04
Each of the two entities overflowed with a pure, unwavering strength. But it was precisely their diametric nature that kept the power in check and stabilized the world.
I decided the realms of possibility could not be allowed to be shackled and end there.
At length, I found a certain intriguing existence... a knight drive by hatred, trapped within the chains of time. Discord had called to him...or perhaps it was he who called discord to himself. I do not know, and it does not matter.
What does it that he has accepted a destiny of unending conflict, and that he will stand at the right hand of discord to see it through.
With this, the eternal war finally begins.
Chaos Report #05
Harmony and discord are both created beings. While observing how they acquired pawns to fight in their conflict, I found that a great number of the consciousnesses had drifted to this world from other dimensions.
I wondered if I might be able to give those consciousnesses physical form. After countless experiments, finally my testing reached success. The failures were dealed in the Interdimensional Rift.
Within the created pawns were some whose faith in themselved wavered--who questioned their very reason for living. It seemed that existence itself was not sufficient incentive.
It causes me to wonder...Where those drifting consciousnesses remnants created in the past? Or spirits meant to exist into the future?
This is something no one can know.
Chaos Report #06
The pawns continue to fight this war, split down the lines of harmony and discord. To my eyes, their power is trivial.
Yet, there has been an anomaly. After one war ended and Shinryu came to purify the world, some pawns were reborn retaining memories from their previous lives.
It does not seem to be limited to any one side's followers, so long as the being in question is wrapped in some strong emotion. Faith, regret, fear, it does not seem to matter.
This must be some sort of omen...
Chaos Report #07
A pawn has appeared, willing to sacrifice himself to further understand the truth of this world.
Was he able to retain his memories, somehow? Or, perhaps he found a way to escape the world's cleansing?
While the way my people pass down memories makes a physical body unnecessary, in truth, there is no such thing as a permanently physical object to begin with.
As if to illustrate this fact, the goddess of harmony fragments her own vessel.
Perhaps this unending war to create the ultimate weapon has already brought forth its own demise.
Chaos Report #08
It seems someone has found a use for the failed experiments I sealed into the Interdimensional Rift.
These soulless pawns are used as tools of war, destroying the delicate balance between harmony and discord.
Yet the pawns of harmony choose to stand and face this challenge, while the pawns of discord fight on, groping towards an understanding of the truth behind this world.
The world of a vessel is fluid, only determined by that which fills it.
In this, the thirteenth matchup of the vessels of the world--the god and goddess--one can only wonder what properties they will gain.
Chaos Report #09
All men are brought into the world in a flood of tears. In the beginning, at least, all men are equal.
However, somewhere along the line, this inevitably changes. Even pawns--while their makeup is the same, the experiences that shape them give them individual forms, sending them down different paths.
The one bringing this long, long cycle of conflict to an end is a pawn seemingly bred for war.
I was unable to achieve the power of utter chaos. I could not complete my revenge. And yet...I have no more regrets.
I can only wish for a peaceful future for the world that so long ago was my home.
Chaos Report #10
All was born from hatred--creating this world, dragging him to it...swearing revenge on those who ravenously desired power--endless experiments meant to induce a greater and more deadly strength.
However, he--they both have taught me something through this neverending battle... Even the Great Will himself can be led.
What path will they follow from now on? As a researcher, I cannot help but be intrigued.
These two cover a great deal about FFI and FFD. The Cosmos Reports cover the story of how Garland was taken by the army, and Cid's wife, not named, went in to rescue him, and was killed.
The Chaos Reports cover Cid, making the cycle and finally realizing it should end.
It also explains the Warrior of Light's origins, how Garland became Chaos, Sephiroth taking his own life during the last war, and more.
This make's FFI's story, which originally was incredibly vague, into a huge one that adds Dissidia connecting the FF worlds by the Void and making at least 10 of the FFs canon to each other through the war.
The secret ending gotten though collecting all 20 reports shows that Chaos and Cosmos have been revived, and that Cid plans to end the cycle next war. Though since Nomura has stated that making a sequel would be "difficult", we may not even see this.
Here's a summarized version of the Reports:
Spoiler: Summary
Cid of Lufaine (the very Cid from FFI, creator of the Airship) and his wife (not named) served as foster parents for a child and named him Garland, who was born to be a tool of war.
Cid was a scientist working on a system to preserve Lufenian memories using the power of discord. Cid was also working on a weapon to protect their homeland from The Summoned and Omega.
How, a large scale war breaks out and Garland is taken into the army. To save Garland, Cid's wife enlists in the army. However, after her first mission required her to massacre many innocent civilians, she refused to go on any more missions. Cid and his wife are imprisoned for treason.
During the jailbreak, Cid's wife is shot and Garland disappears into Void using the power of discord. Cid disappears as well.
Before dying, Cid's wife returns to Lufenia, telling her story, saving her memories, and using the Levistone to create the Flying Fortress.
What happens to Cid and Garland is a mystery, but Cid meets Shinryu in the Rift and makes a deal with him: Cid loses his body, and Shinryu would recreate the world and revive its combatants after the war's true end. Cosmos and Chaos are placed in charge of the opposing armies, and at the end of each battle, the losing side would replace its god with one of its combatants.
Cid continues his research, thinking that this war is the perfect chance to find the truth of harmony and discord.
Cid and Shinryu work to prolong the cycle for this purpose, but after finally witnessing success in his experiment he works to correct the mistakes caused by the war in the world and seal the rifts in the dimensions.
Little facts:
The "Great Will" mentioned by several characters is Cid.
Cid is also the narrator of the game. He narrates the game's opening, the prologue/epilogue of the story modes, and ect.
The wyrm/dragon the characters keep talking about is Shinryu.
American by birth. Asshole by choice. Hooked on Neo
since: Oct 2003
Sep 20, 09 at 4:13am
re: Character Discussion - Cid of the Lufaine, Shinryu, Chaos, and Cosmos
I hate the VOID concept. The "void" seems stupid and always been used as well to destroy everything. Now it seems how everything is connected to each other. So...Anytime the villains wanted to the void swallow everything, but whats really was going on was they were sending everything into an empty space. ._.
re: Character Discussion - Cid of the Lufaine, Shinryu, Chaos, and Cosmos
The thing that connects all the FF worlds to each other is actually the Interdimensional Rift, consisting of dozens of worlds and areas just kind of mushed together, which in a way, explains why Dissidia's world looks the way it does. Gilgamesh is always wandering it. I don't know how or why he ever goes back. He's always looking for Bartz, since they're friends.
It's just easier to call the Interdimensional Rift the Void because even typing Interdimensional Rift is a mouth full. >_>
The Void, on the other hand, is an engima. Claimed to be nothing but there are crystal floors in there. Not to mention an Omega model, Shinryu, and Cloud of Darkness. So, I don't know why Cloud of Darkness and Exdeath want to send everything there. Seems like everything will be perfectly fine if they were.
American by birth. Asshole by choice. Hooked on Neo
since: Oct 2003
Sep 20, 09 at 4:40am
re: Character Discussion - Cid of the Lufaine, Shinryu, Chaos, and Cosmos
I much prefer if they connected by a different time line. I also wonder what is their time line of when they are taken out of their worlds to these worlds?
re: Character Discussion - Cid of the Lufaine, Shinryu, Chaos, and Cosmos
I'm guessing time just stops in their worlds, and they're taken there. Cid seems powerful enough to do that.
Either that, or before their games even start, they are brought their, with "memories" of the events of their worlds, and when they are done, they go through their games, and the cycle goes over and over.
re: Character Discussion - Cid of the Lufaine, Shinryu, Chaos, and Cosmos
It makes the Cycle of Rebirth seem more like a repeated punishment for one's sins by making them experience their life over and over without it ever changing, then a purification of what happend in one's past life. If you look at it that way the Void would seem like a haven, a place with nothing exists but existence is ever present. A place of freedom, seemingly complete and absolute, where one is not bounded by the chains of fate.
re: Character Discussion - Cid of the Lufaine, Shinryu, Chaos, and Cosmos
Damn... i want to get all the Reports before psoting here.
but clear me up on this, does not Sinryu call "us" the Great Will when we beat IC?
he says something like "you have power beyond the gods... you are the Great Will" or "You .... The Great Will"
at the moment i was like....?????....????? but yeah.... after i get all of the reports ill post here, i don't want to spoil them, io did not know cid of Lufain was that much powerfull
re: Character Discussion - Cid of the Lufaine, Shinryu, Chaos, and Cosmos
I don't think Inward Chaos is canon. Because in the end, you fight Chaos, but by that point in the game, Cid should be readying the next war, so technically no one would be in the world of Dissidia.
I don't think Inward Chaos is canon. Because in the end, you fight Chaos, but by that point in the game, Cid should be readying the next war, so technically no one would be in the world of Dissidia.
Unless I miss something?
well i realy don't know... Dissidia's story stll seems to confuing for me... i will have all the Chaos repots by today and i will see the ending. but i have a feeling that i will have to see all the oddyseys and.... well... everytinh abotu Dissidia's story to see if i can learn a thing from them.... i already read the cosmos Reports but i am still in blank....
after i read it all i will relook this thread to see if i have a major understanding