Well, I thought this could be a fun little thread where we can discuss the moral values of your actions in Fallout 3.

In my own opinion, some of the quests seemed highly debatable. The main one being Tranquility Lane.

You should know the story of Tranquility Lane. Braun has setup a virtual reality and is using the residents of Vault 112 as his play things. He has them killed in all sorts of ways, only to revive them and wipe their memory, all for his amusement.

You as the player can join him and have "fun" by ruining the lives of the residents. You can also set them free from their prison and leave Braun stranded in hell forever.

I know a wide majority would go with the Failsafe option if this was real life, but can anyone even try to make an argument for Braun? Does he have the right to be God in this case?

No one has the right to play god end of discussion really aint it. Hes keeping them prisoner and every person has the right to life and freedom both of which are being played with. He has the control and the means to do what he wants but that would be torture .

Can't you say the same thing about God himself? He lets things happen whenever he decides to it seems. He can answer prayers, and can also deny prayers.

Does he have the right to be God? In this case or any case no. If I was to make an argument for him it would be this - even though it is a simulation, isn't it better than facing the reality? - A wasteland full of slavers, raiders, super mutants, giant ants, yao guais, and those lethal death claws? I mean, if it was real life we wouldn't be wandering around using a V.A.T.S. assistance mode. In game, I have always selected the failsafe option. I only presented this point of view because he asked if we could make a case for Braun.

i dont realy think that we should conseder if he is right , but instead look at it from the point of view that he can

he had the rescources availible to him and he did what he wanted to do

If you believe in god then yes you believe hes the almighty creator and he owns your ass but even so not even god has the right to play god .

I think if i had to choose living in the wasteland or living the same day over and over again only to forget at the end of each day. Id choose the wasteland i dont think anyone would have there life effectively end and turn themselves into his plaything.


Defcon1 hmm i like your thinking.

Do what we want because we can. Because we have the resources to do what we want.

Not exactly the best idea in the world. A world without rules. Kill or be killed.

Im more of a science follower than a believer in divine beings so i treat him as a father . He made me but he aint going to rule me for life. The fact is either way you look at it every creature has its place in the eco system through evolution or creation. Humans dont need perfect everything to survive ,Humans are smart and adaptable and live anywhere in the world in the most inhospitable places with little problems. Perfection isnt needed in a eco system and isnt in this world as many species have died out. God apparantly made this world equal for all his creatures and then chose to kill them off. How do you know he isnt the one sending these plagues and disasters? if he exists. God gave himself the right to do what he likes the question is he right to do so? Does he have the right to kill if he feels like it?.

My personal opinion. Science is a mordern religion explaining things through analysis rather than myths and legends. Religion is the old way of explaining the world around us without anything to support it. Religion is a common cause of death.

Onto the topic at hand.

Its personal choice really a simulated life of 1 day isnt life . I know the hardships of the waste anyone does who has played the game but still living or dieing a real life is much better than being a a slave and a plaything to someone. Yeah your alive but your not living.

Food was scarce in the wastelands as is water but you can build a better life than one under rule of a tyrant. You die over and over again and then think he can kill you for real whenever he wants to . Maybe he will just get bored and think screw it i got alot of people that guys getting way too boring. Zap your dead no defense he has all the control.

(were neither right nor wrong i should point out on the question of god or fallout )

quote realmofthewolf

Maybe he will just get bored and think screw it i got alot of people that guys getting way too boring. Zap your dead no defense he has all the control.

Thats exactly how it is in the real world for us. Not that God necessarily gets bored, but he simply does whatever he wants, whenever he wants. Sure Braun is human, but he made himself a near perfect ruler, almost on par with God himself.

So if Braun has no right, then does God have any right?

Either both have the right or neither have the right. It's as simple as that.

but does god let everybody have a good time? no, he doesn't.

quote Ajax

Me personally? I'd take the 'Do the same thing every day and get my memory wiped at the end of each day.' rather than the wastes.

You fail to see the danger of the wastes. Unless you're a Bear Grylls/Simo Hayha hybrid, you don't stand a chance. Once that first bullet hits you. You're gone. Not to mention food, water and shelter. The three basic things a human needs to survive. All of those three are scarce.

At least there is a certain safety in the fabricated environment. As long as I had no knowledge/memory of what was going on I'd be able to deal with it, as it wouldn't get tiresome for me, I don't know I'm doing the same thing day in day out.

I find this line of thought to be completely disgusting. To live a life of total ignorance and darkness of the mind, a meaningless life, is the thing that scares me the most. Think of your best memories... Then be told for a fact that we live in a matrix, and every emotion you've ever felt was fake and manipulated and you don't exist. How soul crushing would that be? Well that's what you suggested.

Equally disgusting is you wouldn't mind having your memories cleared every day. Obviously you don't even realise your memories are who you are. If I wipe your memories completely, you cease to exist. Think about it. That's also what you suggested.

It all makes me think just what the hell are you protecting. Your body? Because your mind has been destroyed. Not that it matters, as long as you can live easy. Kind of like how an animal thinks.

It's saddening that the vast majority of people would answer the same as you. All people want is a delusion-filled life so they can live as easy as possible, without ever having a philosophical thought, to think upon oneself or have an ultimate objective other than some trivial economical one.

You fail to see there are people living in FAR worse conditions than the ones in megaton. Sub-saharan villages of Africa with extreme poverty, living in huts, having to walk miles and miles to get some clear water, orphaned children whose parents died of aids, barely even some *bleep*ing clothes... some places are even attacked by what you would know as "raiders" in the game, they go in, take what and who they want, killing on a whim and leaving the men scarred and disfigured with machete cuts. Yet, unbelievably, they survive and remain in their village.

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Cloud9157 made a good point. For better or worse, Braun still perfectly ruled his world. Suppose he wasn't wicked, that he filled his domain with people like Ajax who willingly entered that blissful matrix, but not knowing they would be monitored by Braun. Like god, he would rarely intervene with their lives. However, he has that power and uses it. What right does any secret entity have to decide our fate?

This message was edited by Trust Kill on Jun 29 2009.