I busted my @ss off to get cqc ex and now every room i try to go to says "No Ex" or "Ex=kik"..... WTF? if ur so much of a noob u can't shoot someone in the face who runs at u to cqc u , then stop playin shooting games and go back to mario or pac-man u no-skill cry baby noob!!! :P

CQC EX also requires no skill what so ever to use. Thats one of the main reason people hate it. It's not that people are noobs it's the lag in the game which is why a lot of people don't like CQC period, me being one of them. The game is a shooter not a WWE game.

but it is part of mgo so why ban it? and it may take no skill to use but it took alot of skill to level it up! i had to run around gettin shot at and cqc3 people befor gettin shot in the face! i no alot of people room boost but i think thats kinda cheap!!! anyways it takes skill to not get shot in the face while tryin to KO someone:colored:

I agree especially if you didn't use the level up rooms. It's just something that frustrates a lot of people so they attempt to ban it in there rooms. Me personally I would have no problem with any of the CQC if the lag wasn't as bad, but I also get ticked off when someone somehow grabs me from 10 paces away.

Sorry I feel bad for you. It's sucks that you spent a lot of time to level something that no one wants to let you use. lol

its ok .... when i get the m4 out people will wish i was cqcex-ing them and not headshoting them over and over! Just think they coulda got off easy... lol

It does take skill to use. I knife'd a guy to death after he reversed a CQC grab I tried on him, and all I didn't even have Knife skill set at any level.

The idea that a CQC related skill (CQC known for the most interesting situations) as a no-effort skill is about as logical as saying reloading fast is cheating because you have the skill of the gun set.

I say all tactics, all weapons. The only thing I ask not to be used are cheap, no brainer tactics like Spawn Camping and Box Hopping.

Things that nobody uses are generally the things that players have the most trouble with. I've gotten used to Rifle users and can handle most with ease. Snipers are a lessening problem for me too because I know the spots, everyone's predictable.

You need to bring something new to the table, a new tactic or way of fighting. I use a combination of Shotgun 3, Mono 3 and E Locaters as well as my knife as my secondary weapon. I can take down F loads of people like that if I'm given at least a little bit of long-range cover. People don't seem to know how to fight me back and die over and over again, eventually leaving the room or trying to kick me calling me a SHOTGUN NOOB. Anything new that people can't handle is labelled noob.

Then along comes Toughness. Not many actually use it as a main skill, but for those that do... my Shotgun tactics are made half as useful as usual. I can often get headshot from people I'm trying to kill when they stand completely unaffected from shotgun rounds going in them.

I die a few times, learn, and then change my movement patterns and use more long-ranged team mates as back up. I actually engage the enemies tactic, I adapt and try to counter it back... I don't get pissed off and call them TOUGHNESS noob for having some tactic that works against me. If I don't have the brains to do something different in the face of a working enemy tactic then that's my problem, I'm the noob... not them.

The thing that doesn't take any skill about CQC Ex is the counter-attack, which also deals a lot of psyche damage, it makes you immune to CQC. And all this automatically.

Thankfully they fixed it a little, you can grab-hold Ex'ers from behind. But I don't think they should have made this skill available for players, they should be exclusive to Snake and Liquid.

I don't have any stance on CQC Ex, if you -with an automatic weapon or shotgun- duel with one of them and can't manage to shoot him while he's slowly inching towards you crouching, you earned your slam-down.

Now u can grab someone with EX without having ex, u have to get him from the back... I use a lot cqc and No ex rooms are bullshit, they try to kick you because you use cqc ex and you are a noob, lol, but they don't realise that ex takes 4 slots and a lot of cqc grabs to get it, I'm not mentioning boosting rooms, too cheap for me, but, if you use ex, u can't use assault skill or any other, and in a one on one you headshot him and your still a noob? lol

First of all getting close to someone in a shooter where people die so quickly takes skill. If they get too close it's your fault for letting them get that close(If they sneak up on you they've got you even without ex).

All it is, is a slight advantage that makes performing CQC a few steps simpler. Besides you pay a hefty price for equipping it(all 4 slots). Also about grabbing an ex, you can also grab an ex when they attempt to grab you and are in the process of missing.

Now with shotguns I have a slight problem. I think its fair that they knock you over when you're close but they should not make you flinch from the outrageous distance that they do.

It's part of the game, in real life you can't say to the Germans, oh wait Mr SS man, stand back and shoot because I don't like CQC. If people can't face it then they should press the PS button and select quit game.

I see what you mean but it can go overboard with that. One time it was me verse three people and they all spawn camped to the point before I couldn't even have time to type to complain. I told them to play fair and they said "This is war its not fair"

I left of course but imagine if everyone played like that.

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I see what you mean but it can go overboard with that. One time it was me verse three people and they all spawn camped to the point before I couldn't even have time to type to complain. I told them to play fair and they said "This is war its not fair"

I left of course but imagine if everyone played like that.

... I hate people like that. I always stay about 20 metres from spawns, to give the people at least a chance to fight back. Then I get the bejeezus camped out of me by everyone all the time.

Anyway, I don't really like CQC, it's only decent if you're Scanning, and even then Scanning isn't the greatest tool in MGO. I prefer to throw down and stun people with the stun knife. Quicker and leaves you less vulnerable. I've picked off quite a few people who were trying to choke my team mates. It's soooo easy to line up a headshot. >=D

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I see what you mean but it can go overboard with that. One time it was me verse three people and they all spawn camped to the point before I couldn't even have time to type to complain. I told them to play fair and they said "This is war its not fair"

I left of course but imagine if everyone played like that.

That's playing cheap. They're abusing the fact that everyone spawns in roughly the same place. Spawn camping is one of the few things I think is a full form of FOUL PLAY.

A good way to counter it is to utilise yourself as a target and your SPAWNING invincibility time... which is made for exactly that kind of thing.

Step 1. Spawn.

Step 2. Go out into the open, let them all go for head shots while you're invincible, DONT aim or roll (cancels invincibility)

Step 3. If your team is good, they'll pick off the campers while they're all going for you... who's un-hittable.

Easy.

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Now with shotguns I have a slight problem. I think its fair that they knock you over when you're close but they should not make you flinch from the outrageous distance that they do.

If you were shot with shotgun from medium range... you'd be flinching too. I don't think the range for Shotgun stuns is off at all, not from the shot gunners view... the receivers perspective is different and you get disorientated with your aiming when you flinch so that clouds people's views and can make it seem like the shot gunner was miles away. Trust me, I've been using shotgun since I started MGO (And leveled up the hard way) and the biggest part of using it is tactical movement. I'm DEAD in the open unless its clear so I MUST stay close to cover and stay out of long-ranged face to face fire fights with a person because I'll just get head shot. I'm fairly awesome at it now, but I do know how hard it is to get close enough to get the flinch shots on people for anyone who's only starting.

... When you hit any vital part of the body you'll flinch with ANY gun. To complain about the flinching to a shot-gunner would be me complaining of the accuracy of a sniper rifle.