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FF12 Grand Master
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Jul 01, 08 at 2:09pm
The Seitengrate Bow

I thought it might be a good idea to have a thread on the Seitengrate. Maybe we can pool thoughts and write down any consistencies we are finding whilst trying to get this bow from the Sky Ferry. I have yet to see one person get this bow legitimately. Many claim to have done so but there is no proof. I searched youtube and found one video. But guess what? He zones a few times at fast speed, only slowing down when reaching the chest area. After a few attempts guess what happens? Yup, you got it....an EDIT!!! Plus he then saunters slowly to the chest like he knows it's there. Well he did know it was there and as far as I am concerned he knew the Bow was in there too. This vid absolutely STINKS of cheat code. Take a look and decide yourself:



Well I have my capture card running constantly. When (or if) I get this bow there will be no edit in the vid and the background music will be continuous so you'll know it's a legitimate attempt.

Anyway, cheats aside, has anyone got info they would like to share?

EDIT:

So far I have zoned for 3 hours, had 6 chests which were 5 x 10gil and 1 x Knot of Rust. No particular pattern detected as yet.


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Jul 01, 08 at 4:06pm
re: The Seitengrate Bow

I must say, at first I thought it was true, but reading how he slows down for the last time as he approaches the bow...it's definitely a cheat

I would lmao if he accidentally sold his bow meaning to sell something else... It would be what he deserves


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Jul 01, 08 at 4:51pm
re: The Seitengrate Bow

Indeed we have seen this video, and concluded it says less about the statistics behind getting this bow and more about the statistics of desire...is similar to another video where the title is "Halo 3 on Your PS 3." And the fellow sets the game disk on top of the PS 3.

The number of views of these videos alone says it all.

I for one do not believe anybody got this legitimately.

The Diamond Armlet must be worn.

What were talking about here, statistically is:

Chest appearance rate: 1%

Percent gil: 80%

Percent Item: 20% Knot of Rust (80% of Items) Bow (5% of Items).

So, you would have about a 1:10,000 chance of getting the bow each time you enter the airship upper deck.

This chance does NOT improve with subsequent entrances.

I have spent days trying to get the bow. Have noted several things.

1) Starting out from a Save or a reboot will take approx. 2 hours to get the first chest.

2) Starting out from hunting/opening chests in other areas, I will get first chest within 1 hour.

3) A common pattern has been to get 10 gils twice, and then a Knot of Rust.

4) Sometimes after hunting/opening chests first chest will be Knot of Rust.

None of these things are real facts as the moving characters on the ship will move the RNG.

However, it would seem to me that if there is any way to affect the random number generator, it would be beneficial to see what will get the Knot of Rust, as this means accessing the 20% chance of getting an item.

GM and I have discussed that it could be true that the game will not give up the bow early on in the game. I have read one account where someone claimed to get the bow on his second playthrough flying out of Balfonheim, first chest, after doing hunting/chest farming in the Cerobi Steppe.

If this story is to be believed, the best shot is to try and get the %Item on the first chest you get.

So, getting the %Item, Knot of Rust (or Bow obviously), on the first chest would be something to note.

Both GM and I are going to try for the bow without cheat codes.

I have no quarrel with cheat codes nor how people choose to play their game, just be HONEST about it!!











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FF12 Grand Master
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Jul 01, 08 at 7:21pm
re: The Seitengrate Bow

I had to have a little nap this afternoon as zoning for the Bow was sending me to sleep. Stats so far are 4hours, 8 chests, 10 gil x 7 and knot of rust x 1.

When I got the Knot of Rust I thought I'd got the Bow as the first symbol is very similar. My joy lasted about one tenth of a second as I realised it was only a knot of rust


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Jul 01, 08 at 7:32pm
re: The Seitengrate Bow

quote FF12 Grand Master
I had to have a little nap this afternoon as zoning for the Bow was sending me to sleep. Stats so far are 4hours, 8 chests, 10 gil x 7 and knot of rust x 1.

When I got the Knot of Rust I thought I'd got the Bow as the first symbol is very similar. My joy lasted about one tenth of a second as I realised it was only a knot of rust

Ouch. I hate when that happens.
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Jul 01, 08 at 7:51pm
re: The Seitengrate Bow

GM can you report on when you get KoR? As in 3rd chest, 4th chest etc.?

Also, whether or not you change airships during the zoning, such that you are starting over at 1st chest, 2nd chest etc.
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FF12 Grand Master
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Jul 01, 08 at 10:43pm
re: The Seitengrate Bow

I have now had 2 Knots of Rust. First one was the first chest today and the second one was the first chest I opened when moving to a new Airship.

EDIT:

I have noticed that when loading the game in or when changing Airships, a chest appears fairly quickly. I get one no later than 10 minutes after starting zoning. My first attempts at zoning yesterday produced a chest on the 17th and 20 attempt. Each attempt takes around 20 seconds. Today I have had early chests each time I began zoning and the latest produced a chest after just the 3rd attempt on a new airship. For a while I will change airship as soon as I get a chest. This may be all coincidence but it may also be resetting the RNG. Who knows? Only time will tell

So far, 6hours, 12 chests, 9 x 10 gil, 3 x Knots of Rust...all KoR's have been 1st chests.


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Jul 01, 08 at 11:23pm
re: The Seitengrate Bow

How is that one guy cheating? He could have just went to see if there was a chest, went back to the door (not entering) and then started the recorder. Well, thats what I am doing.

GM, why did you have to get the game? Now everyone is going to buy it and now the game isn't anything special. Thanks alot.

Oh well. I'll keep on trying for the chest.
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Jul 01, 08 at 11:29pm
re: The Seitengrate Bow

how will more people playing the game make it NOT special?
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FF12 Grand Master
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Jul 01, 08 at 11:55pm
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quote IZJS
How is that one guy cheating? He could have just went to see if there was a chest, went back to the door (not entering) and then started the recorder. Well, thats what I am doing.

GM, why did you have to get the game? Now everyone is going to buy it and now the game isn't anything special. Thanks alot.

Oh well. I'll keep on trying for the chest.
What a poor, sick, spoilt, jealous child you must be to make a comment like that. Anyway, this is the last comment I make to you unless you post under your REAL user. I know who you are because you PM'd me under this name when I had blocked you from everything. Get a life, Jaden, or start to grow up. Either that or sod off back to FFXII forum and carry on sucking up to a "certain gamer" we all know.


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Jul 02, 08 at 5:33pm
re: The Seitengrate Bow

quote IZJS
GM, why did you have to get the game? Now everyone is going to buy it and now the game isn't anything special. Thanks alot.
JudgeBergan please refrain from taking digs at other members even with an alternative account. And yes, I know for a fact that it is you.
quote FF12 Grand Master
What a poor, sick, spoilt, jealous child you must be to make a comment like that. Anyway, this is the last comment I make to you unless you post under your REAL user. I know who you are because you PM'd me under this name when I had blocked you from everything. Get a life, Jaden, or start to grow up. Either that or sod off back to FFXII forum and carry on sucking up to a "certain gamer" we all know.
And Giru please stop antagonising the antagonised. Whilst his posts are bad, you are also adding fuel to the fire, and with the price of fuel these days, it can get quite expensive for both of you

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FF12 Grand Master
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Jul 05, 08 at 3:04am
re: The Seitengrate Bow

I apologise and I also offer the Olive Branch to Judge Bergan. Jaden, you are no longer blocked. PM me if you like.

EDIT:

Well....I did it! Legitimately too and you can watch all 8 minutes of UNEDITED zoning if you like. Or you can just skip to 8:14 to see it





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Jul 05, 08 at 2:18pm
re: The Seitengrate Bow

You are so very lucky.

I don't get it. You say on the FFXII board that you would never go for the Zodiac Spear in the Henne Mines, and here you are getting the Steintegrate Bow with a 1/10000 chance! Good job!

In my PASNG, I banned the use of the bow untill after the events of the Pharos.

BTW: How many total hours did it take you to get this bow?
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Jul 05, 08 at 3:52pm
re: The Seitengrate Bow

quote JudgeBergan
I don't get it. You say on the FFXII board that you would never go for the Zodiac Spear in the Henne Mines, and here you are getting the Steintegrate Bow with a 1/10000 chance! Good job!
Thanks, Jaden. If there were a speed button like in IZJS then I might just try for the ZS in the Henne mines. Going for the Seitengrate was bearable because the run only takes around 20 seconds. I would zone for either 1 hour or 2 chests, whichever came last, and then go off and do another part of the story and then return and do it again.



quote JudgeBergan
BTW: How many total hours did it take you to get this bow?
I don't know exactly because I never bothered to keep records. I spent at least 15 hours on it but no more than 20 hours. I guess I'm lucky because statistically it takes 56 hours to get one. I may even try to get 2 more for the Trial Mode. Judges v 3 Seitengrates....now that would be fun!


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Jul 05, 08 at 4:50pm
re: The Seitengrate Bow

I did the trial mode for a bit and only got to the three Bagolies because I was Penelo only and at level 12. Not very fun. All of the chests are similiar to the ones in the Great Crystal.
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