Well, it seems like the mammoth MAY have lost it's superiority. Check this out, http://www.commandandconquer.com/intel/default.aspx?id=119#NewsMain
It's a new Scrin unit, very powerful, but u can only build 1 at a time and it announces itself to all players.

Case and point Archimonde, but i like comparing mammothes to things...and yeah, since that patch, a lot has changed. But I just thought the pic was cool.

Also true, i like the tri-pod cause if you set hem on aggressive mode, and just give them an order to move from front to back, or from one side to another of your oppnents base...they'll not only do severe damage, but the EMP thing they do will cut the enemies buildings and such off. Od course it's best to have the force field upgrade before trying this, but, it works as far as i know. And the more tri-pods, the better..naturally.

i wouldn't be so quick to place all my faith in a unit u can only have one of. but i do think its beeter than the redeemer, i havnt faced and hexapods yet, minus the one in the campaign...

heres an idea, send the MARV with 4 missile squads garrisoned for its ultimate anti air capacity, then have it followed by a rig, just try to keep the rig outta the fight, and let the marv have as many kills as possible, the sooner it ranks up, the better...for u that is, not ur enemy...lol. then the rig can just heal any damage the MARV took in battle, assuming of course the MARV doesnt meet its end. But once the MARV gets that star, (i think thats heroic rank), it damn near invincible..

to be honest, thats what i usually do, 3 missle guys and 1 enjy. i also tend to use the MARV as a sort of "U WANNA PIECE OF ME?!" harvester when the enemy does a lot of harrassment tactics..lol

all i was saying is that if ur enemy destroys a harvester or 2, when they come back for more, and since it seems to be working i'm sure they will, and they find a big ass MARV where they expect a almost defensless harvester...they'll shit their pants trying to escape. Cause i put the MARV on aggressive, then give it its harvesting orders...

u would have to keep the stealth tanks on the roll when they weren't firing, or else an epic would take it out in like 1 shot, stealth tanks have very little armour. and as for the avatars, the upgrades, both in game and from the attack and defense boosts in has over its install counterpart from C&C3, would make a difference, the biggest help would be the obelisks. 3 of u say, yea i can see that, assuming the epic u killed was a basic rank, obelisks are the best way for nod commanders to deal with epics. just build a literal wall of em, and lure the SOB in....there u go...

i dropped a redeemer recently with just 12 firehawks, 1 pass..but they did have the hardpoints upgrade..

and as for zone troopers, i had 3 vet. 1 basic, and 2 heroic, and fought a hexapod and won, it only took about 2 or 3 minutes...but the hex was base rank so....and now that i remember, the troopers did recieve tank support once the hex was in the red..(preds and mammies).

thats a good strat..i did something like that in the campaign when u have to face 2 marvs at once...

yea, i had a lotta tanks though..lol, one of the damn MARVs ranked up on me, so it was hard as hell to kill it, but i got the job done...

bout the same here.. except i used a mix of vehicles..

scorpions, buggies, stealths, and some venoms too, then i had my base defenses, obelisks and laser turrets mostly...

This message was edited by Cypher8492 on May 05 2008.

lol. i love mammies as much as the next guy, but i do have to admit that with EAs "balance" attempts, they have robbed the mammoth of what i believe made it truly legendary, but i do suppose it is a little better balanced now, and i will never stop buildin mammies all together, just not as spam anymore...

epic units however, (which is what this thread is about), have vast armour, and in the case of the MARV 4 garrison slots. now, u may think the MARV is trash, but have u ever seen a heroic ranked one? ever tried to kill a heroic ranked one? MARV is the best of the epic units in MY opinion, but i know everyone has there own...

main thing about the MARV is the instant harvesting, its like a shot in the arm if ur havin even a little money trouble...u can never have too much tiberium reserves

1st, u have to tech up that high, 2nd, think about the money and time that would take to build...what do u think ur opponent is doing? twidling their thumbs? while im sure thats a kick ass assault force, it is, without a doubt, strictly late game...which bodes the question.. what r ur tactics for surviving that long?? also, if ur doing so much surviving...how r u setting up the econemy that would require??

no one doubts the power of scrin late game units, but u gotta live long enough, thats all im sayin...

not really..it can be done on ur own, but it requires, as Greg Black likes to say, some "uber micro"..lol, in other words, TONS of micro management..

??? i havnt tried the mechapede much, but it didnt seem to rule quite so much when i used it...

guesss ill give the little bugger another shot since u 2 give it such a good rating..lol

well well, sounds like a plan, ill give it a shot..

Well, one of my favorite things to do is just set units to agressive stance and send em into an enemy base...

best units i have found for this include, but not limited to, purifyers, mammoth tanks, (upgrades of course)...

true that, i've seen the ring of AA myself, and not even on hard, i see it on medium plenty, and as for the devys and PACs assault force, they compliment each other b/c they are supposed to, scrin truly own the skies...

i have heard it said, that the overall trait for each side is as follows...

GDI-specialize in armour and vehicles (hence the mammoth, GDI's true strength lies in their vehicles)

Nod-gurrilla tactics, hit & run, stealth (not really meant
for head on assaults, but can adjust, with proper numbers)

Scrin-air power (nuff said)

yea, i have loved the mammoth since the day i first layed eyes on it, been my fav unit ever since as well...

besides that, GDI is a smack em around, knock em down, then finish em off kinda group...suits my style of play best...which would explain why i take to the black hand so well..lol

and yea, i have to admit, even i tend to just spam scorps nowadays when i use Nod, unless i have plety of money, then its avatars with the flamethrower, to mimic purifyers, but its always good to send some attack bikes or stealth tanks or raider buggies or somthin, less all that money go up in smoke thanks to air units..lol

thats b/c EA screwed em over with the very first patch they released...

but no matter, top dog or not, i still love the mammoth..

I will be one of the first ppl to stand behind the mammoth when the goin gets tough, but EA did nothing but lessen the mammoth's stats in their patches...read the print...

"turret speed decreased..."

and so on and so on, about 3 or 4 DOWNGRADES..WTF, but no matter, the mammy is still to be feared, when used properly...

quote Archimonde_STG

I was saying Mammoths are underpowered

thank you

not that i dont think ppl realize it, but at least someone, besides me, finally came out and said it....

for the, "biggest, baddest" tank around, the poor mammy has a lot more weaknesses than it used to, yet i still say not to underestimate its usefulness, despite it lack of stats..(damn patch!!..lol)

lol, as you say..

well, i try to bring in quicker units, pitbulls, apcs, even preds, to take the heat off and let a mammy get away when it needs to...