OK, for GDI i use the steel talons, or core GDI. the idea is generally the same, do u want preds and APCs, or titans and wolvies?

given the APCs can garrison infantry, diversifiying them, plus the pred and APC are both cheaper than their steel talon counter part, but the steel talon units have a little more armour i think...

Its when u get to the artillery that the steel talons take the cake, the behemoth seems to be a little more accurate to me with its shells, plus u can garrison infantry into those also, missle guys for AA capable artillery, sweet...

Now to the down side of things...we all know the juggy and the behemoth are walker units, and therefore weak to commandos...but did u you know that titans are weak to commandos also? they are, so u may wanna take that into consideration when chosing your GDI faction. I havnt seen a wolvy get taken out by a commando, but they're walkers too arnt they? Think about it...

In conclusion, i tend to use core GDI a little more, but still love to see titans and wolvies make a mess on ocassion..

ok, now that thats solved, (the commando wolvy thing that is), any other opinions?

and thanx for ur reply Aulis Vaara..

i can understand ur greif... i would've liked that myself, but i think that may've been asking a lot of EA, another epic unit just for a sub faction? u give the steel talons one, and next thing u know the marked of kane are gonna want their cyborgs to be able to mash together to form a redeemer or some version there of, depending on what type and how many different ones u use..."cyborgs! transform!"
lol

but a great idea none the less, also, thanx for bringing up the rail gun accelerator, i almost forgot it, shame on me...

wolvies are supposed to be good against infantry Aulis..
its what they're made for, esspecially when u get the AP ammo..

And good strat tanks...

well, dont complain then, just use em to piss off the noddies...lol,

but it may have something to do with the fact that they have 2 guns instead of the APC & raider's 1..

steel talons air power is so-so...with limited infantry theres not a whole lot to put in the hammerheads, but like core GDI they do get the hardpoints upgrade, so firehawks are a good choice with them i think..

yea, i think the behemoth goes under used myself, in large numbers, and backed by slingshots, and garrisoned with riflemen, theres not much that can get em, you'ld only need worry about tank spam i think, and even then not all the tanks would get close enough. it would be a numbers thing for that i think.

beyond that, the thrill i get from the talons is playing with the titan and wolverine again, with the upgrades of course, the only thing is, neither unit is AA capable, so u have to send slingshots along, and sometimes that messes up the nostalgia...

yea, true...
i wish there was a way to avoid spam sometimes, i think it goes over used at times, like tanks..

but i digress, wouldnt be C&C without some tank spam..lol

anyway, i think, that some behemoths with titan and wolverine guards, also be sure to take along some slingshots, and mix up ur behemoth garrisons, some riflemen, some missle guys. plus, lets not forget those healing APC things (i forget what they're called right now), for repairs in the field...and that would be a good steel talons strike force i think...

so wolovies can get hit with C4? i was wondering that...
yea, limited infantry, and a lota walkers, and i personally dont miss the sonics since the guardian cannons get railguns now to. beyond that, its a personal tastes kinda thing..like em, or not...thats how it goes...

considering the fairly light armour of the wolvy, it would just be easier to kill it with somthing biger than itself i think, instead of worrying about C4ing it....

the thing about the talons is, they r the gap between firestorm, and C&C3

some of the tech they have, they really wouldnt have, and some tech they ought to have they dont...for example, (and this has already been discussed, but i think it rings true), instead of a MARV, which seems to be made more so for the ZOCOM faction's purpose, reclaimation, the talons should have a version of the Mammoth MKII. plus, they should probably not have access to regular mamoths, but that also depends on just how close to which evolutionary side they r on, r they closer to C&C3, or firestorm?

at any rate, it depends on the tastes of the commander as to which side and subfaction (if any) to use....

is that a theory tanks? or is it something u have seen urself, to be proven? cause it sounds awesome...

well, i kinda like the titan, but surly wouldnt complain about a buff up...

it affects units in the area where u activated it...

i dont know if it works on ally units, never tried it..

BTW, everybody does know the mobile repair thing that replaces the APC, repairs buildings for free, right? i think that adds to the steel talons repertoire...

preach on brother! ive never been much of an infantry user i give you, but only four types to choose from certainly does NOT help the problem..lol, anyway, 2 slots for the hammerhead, means double the missle guys you can put into em . (yes i know u can put more than missle guys in em, read on and find out y i said missle guys). then, with about 12 or so hammerheads, all with doubled up missle guys, scrins devastators wont be such a feared thing for GDI, PACs could stil be a problem since they can engage air units, but not devies.. Rockets Red Glare..lol

hammerheads with missile squads work fine for me, besides, whoever said anything about sending em alone? the only unit i would consider sending alone would be mammoth tanks (about 8 minimum, to..however many i want..lol), or the MARV (but not into combat). But i think core GDI could benefit from that upgrade as well...

well, we'll see about that, i got nothin but love for the purifier, but, 1 can beat 3 mammies? r u nuts? 1st, i rarely if ever send mammies in the field without railguns, 2nd, whenever possible, i let sit and guard my base a little while to gain rank...and as for hammerheads, u still seem to think i spam em, and send em alone, no. i send em with other units,or in relatively small scout parties...

well, i wont argue about the power of purifying flames, its truly kick ass...but i still have my doubts, but no matter...

1st, No, no rail guns for the MARV, even for steel talons, and, even though that would be super sweet..lol

as for ur tib sun question, im not sure, been literally years since i played tib sun, but i wouldnt think the titan shoots outta range of defense structures...its just a tank, not an artillery...

Epic units are the same for all factions..

all GDI get the same MARV, all Nod get the same Redeemer, and all scrin get the same Hexapod, epic units are not customized to the faction you are using, not saying that wouldnt be sweet, but its just the way things are...

better than commando and sniper?? not in the sense of a 1 shot kill so to speak, wolverines are extremly effective agaisnt infantry however, esspecially after the AP ammo upgrade, and can even rip thru light armoured vehicles decently...lets see a sniper & commando do that...


when u get the rail gun, it goes for all these things, predator, mammoth, gaurdian cannon, titan, and yes, un-packed rig, if i've forgotten anything, sorry, but i believe thats all, b/c, this goes for both Steel Talons AND core GDI (as ZOCOM has no railguns at all), rail guns all around! lol

hope this helps

well, the juggy and the mammy move at about the same speed, never really compared the speeds, but they go together good for steamrolling...and yes, u should be able to use the EMP grenades in a vehicle, u can use the regular grenades, and thats just and upgrade, so yes, yes u can...


once u get the rail guns, most cannon firing units get the upgrade, including guardian cannons, and deployed rigs..for both steel talons AND core GDI...What is special about the steel talons is their rail gun accelerator, which increases the speed at which ur rail gun firing units can fire their weapons, at the cost of one third of the units health, (yes ur units can die in this manner). try using the adaptive armour in conjunction with the rail gun accelerator to reduce the damage taken...

true, couple steel talons with almost anybody, but esspecially black hand or core GDI, or even ZOCOM with their zone raiders....

versus a horde of PACs??

rocket or missle spam, cheap and AA, or, spam slingshots with the upgrade for that, or, fire hawks, with the missle loadout and the hardpoints upgrade...

and i find that when using the steel talons, i tend to favor the titan and wolverine, guess its just nastalgia, cause air units completly pawn a titan & wolvy strike force..lol, no AA...

yea, but i also find that just sending PACs to do all the work can sometimes get a little boring, like im sure many ppl do, i use devastators for mid to late game scouting as well as a strike force if u have enough of em, im thinking about...no less than 8, then mix in a couple PACs for stealth detection & to mix up the attacks, plus the ion storm...

jeez, i thought this thread was pretty much dead, but u unwashed heathens r keeping it goin huh?

if a sizable force of dev OR PACs manages to get built AND reach ur base, then u have not been scouting or something, and if so, what were YOU doing while ur enemy was creating ur encroaching doom? while not unsurvivable, they are hard to defend against, if u have the proper units and defenses, and are good at the uber micro, then u have a chance...

just be warned, a truly skilled player never puts everything he/she has into a single attack unless absolutely necessary...so even if u shoot em all down, be ready for a clean up force to follow up, likely small quick units, or if u have really messed up, possibly tripods or devourers...

the best thing to do is not let ur opponent get that far, scout, take out expansions, harass their harvester, even if u dont destroy it, anything to distract, and keep them from getting that tib