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Jondog
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Apr 09, 08 at 2:22pm
Debates on CO's

Well, just like the Roleplaying thread, Deathsythe and I have decided to make a debates on CO's thread. I feel I should list the names of the COs in both forms:

Will - Ed
Brenner - O'Brian
Lin - Lin
Isabella - Catleia
Tasha - Zadia
Gage - Trak
Forsythe - Carter
Waylon - Finn
Greyfield - Sigismundo
Penny - Lili
Tabitha - Larissa
Caulder - Stolos

Once again, depending on how this thread goes, we may chance the list. Here is an example.

1st post:

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OK.... Umm... I'll do... Waylon/Finn vs. Penny/Lili! Begin.
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I have to vote for Waylon/Finn here... I'm not too keen on Penny because her CO Power is pretty useless... But Waylon's CO Zone has quite some good defensive capabilities, and his CO Power is even more incredible, plus, his CO Zone is at a sweet range. I'll have to go for Waylon/Finn here.
3rd post:

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[Someone says something siilar about Penny and Lili]
[a few posts occur... say 2 for Waylon/Finn and 2 for Lili]

final post after a week:

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And... It's been a week, so that means the debate is over... and... It's a tie! Waylon/Finn gets 3 points and as does Penny/Lili!
Rules: You should know them, but here are a few ones to remember in this particular thread...

1. Involve no more than 3 COs in 1 debate.
2. Only 1 debate at a time.
3. Debates go on for a week tops. and after that, we have the score, for example, after one week people with meaningful posts voted for will add one point, so say... After one week, the one who called for the debate will say (if not someone else that didn't participate in the debate) Debate is over! Waylon/Finn - 3, Penny/Lili - 2. Waylon/Finn wins!
4. Rebutting is allowed. We don't know how well rebutting will do... we'll see, I'll take it now, but if it gets out of hand and causes too much flaming, I'll have to stop it.
5. You can NOT put your own point in a debate you just made.
6. If you have created a debate, you are the judge.
7. There are no extensions/shortens to the debating time. We will see how we go with this thread, making the debating time more petite or larger... we'll have to see.
8. Regardless if it is a tie, win to 1 CO or loss to another, the debate will end after the week is up.

I suppose I'll let someone else start the debate.
Fightfightfightfightfight FIGHT!!!!


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re: Debates on CO's

I would like to see a Brenner vs. Greyfield Debate personally. It would be a clash of the titans.

Brenner's honest and hardworking attitude, while still remaining human and showing emotion; versus that stop at nothing dictator Greyfield.

Not only is it a clash between good and bad, but it is also a conflict of ideology and methods.

While Brenner is still most definitely a tough CO, he is fair and just. Greyfield is not one keen to forgive and rules with the iron fist of a tyrant.


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Apr 11, 08 at 4:43pm
re: Debates on CO's

True true, that seems something interesting to see, Deathsythe, seeing as Brenner wasn't able to do much to Greyfield because he, well...

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He died after C15, and Greyfield lastes all the way to C21.

But I remember Brenner saying "The 12th Battalion doesn't take orders from you anymore, Greyfield. [Greyfield's dribbling] You're a coward, Greyfield. And you don't frighten me.


Yet Greyfield DOES have his strongman army and if it weren't for Waylon retiring, the race would be finished easy. I don't even see why or how Greyfield would let Waylon leave. He was such a useful addition to the army, probably the most effective, as well.


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Apr 11, 08 at 11:32pm
re: Debates on CO's

I thought it would be a debate on how useful COs were.. Oh well.

Brenner. An awesome, idealistic pacifier. How could a greedy, heartless, selfish, fat, and slobbering man be better than him?


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Apr 14, 08 at 10:08pm
re: Debates on CO's

Yeah, the main idea is gameplay, but you can fit in a bit of the characteristics.

Come on guys, let's get debating more! Try not to do the characteristics too much, use gameplay stats instead.


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Apr 15, 08 at 3:28am
re: Debates on CO's

I find it interesting how, despite being rivals, they have almost identical CO zones and COPs. Which really doesn't fit Sigismundo, why would he want to protect anyone? He seemed to have the uncaring attitude from what I could gather in Campaign.

Really hard to debate against them, since they almost seem like Isabella/Gage, same area of CO zone, but Sigismundo has greater DEF+ATK bonus. Which means a lot for his naval units. its important for their survival, since they cost a lot more.

So I vote for the Sigismundo, although I hate him, because he can get extremely powerful copters/naval units on command, and his COP is really nice.


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Apr 15, 08 at 6:51am
re: Debates on CO's

Yeah his COP I really actually thought would be Drake's AW1 COP (It did 1 damage to all enemy units) but since Brenner's Andy COP got one up fomr 2-3, maybe Greyfield would damage 2HP to enemies, which would be a little... broken.

"Push further! Don't pull back!" Maybe that represents his COP.


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re: Debates on CO's

comparing the two COP, i said that greyfield is only effective in long-drawn battle. even on land or air his COP is this great when citys or rig cannot be use to resupply troops.

as for brenner, his the type which can help in any battle, the extra 3 healing is free (i think) and that 3 heal could increase attack power (by 2 shots) plus the defences boosts.

overall if you compare both CO and COP, CO will be brenner for all battle and greyfield for naval battle. as for the COP, both is as good.
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Jun 26, 08 at 10:55am
re: Debates on CO's

*bump*

Well, to wrap it up, I actually prefer Greyfield over Brenner... Why? Because he's more situational, and I like situational COs, example; Greyfield. While his CO Zone boosts all naval units, it also boosts B Copters (Excluding Seaplanes because you need a naval unit for them anyway), which I also find... a useful unit, because it can attack almost all kinds of units, and quite powerfully, too, and the only units you must fear are Anti-Airs, Fighters, Dusters, Cruisers, Seaplanes and possibly Carriers. I don't find Missiles brutal against them because they're indirect, and they can't move and attack at the same time. Anyway, Aside from his CO Zone, even on a ground-based battle, the CO unit he is in gets an extra 20% Att/Def boost, plus an extra 1% (lol) for all the units in his CO Zone, excepting the listed units that his CO Zone boosts. And what seems to amaze me the most, would be his CO Power. One of the most situational CO Powers, and there are many situations you could be in. An/the enemy is capturing your HQ, you sent a unit to stop it, but it runs out of fuel, or the battle is a big battle and has a lot of terrain in it... many others. Now, off ground-based situations, moving onto naval situations (This is my favorite part about Greyfield himself). Naval units run out of 2 tanks of fuel everyday, and dived submarines 8 (Maybe 5, I'm not too sure, but I think it's 8). Not to mention, in my opinion, Greyfield's carriers are his strongest units. Why? Because they use materials, 4 each, that deploy very useful units that are not useful in situational, but universal situations. The materials cannot be replenished in anyway, and here comes Greyfield's use. His CO Power, which I find somewhat easy to boost, can replenish materials. I love him (in battle of course) so much for that particular reason. Now, in aerial battles, the same sorta thing applies. Not quite as "bad" as ground-based units, but not quite as "good" as naval units. Aerial units, too, burn out 2 tanks of fuel per day, excluding their movements, and of course, the same situations apply as the ground-based situations I listed, but much, much more. And his CO Zone, can boost B Copters, which like I said, are very useful. His CO Zone alone, I really like because it boosts defense incredibly. Useful for all units his CO Zone especially boosts, and especially for air units, the B Copter, because their defense kinda... suck, while their offense are... fantabulous (another lol). I also like playing defensively more than offensively, I find it more effective.

So yeah... I could type heaps of more words, but I couldn't be bothered, so I'm gonna leave it at that.


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re: Debates on CO's

Waylon vs Gage brother man



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Jul 05, 08 at 7:50pm
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Gage..
After tallying up a weeks total..... Gage wins 1-0!!!
Greyfeild-Forsythe-Caulder-Brenner. All the leaders!
I vote Caulder. To mutch brokenness(even more than Sturm. )
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what? Sturm > Caulder any day. Good luck with Sturm's SCOP.

I don't see Isabella anywhere in your post and thus it fails.


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re: Debates on CO's

Let's all just agree Gage pwns.

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Sep 15, 09 at 10:14am
re: Debates on CO's

Ultra bump is ultra.

dbzmaster: Caulder > Sturm. Caulder mechspams with nigh invincible and cheaper mechs, and Caulder's CO Zone can take anything Sturm throws at him.


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Sep 16, 09 at 4:54am
re: Debates on CO's

Interesting, huh? How a DoR CO could beat a Wars World CO. Because of all the ridiculous buffs & SCOPs.



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