The fight order for me (East Coast) was Silva-Werdum, Mousasi-Soko, Miller-Shields, Fedor-Rogers. I was hoping the women's fight would air but it didn't.

One late update, the Davis-Miller prelim was cancelled. Time constraints. SF apparently hasn't learned how hard it is to cram 6 prelims into 2 hours. Both guys will get paid.

quote AznLiquid

Those 2 fights were broadcast before Shields/Miller. Being on the west coast as well, I had to stream it on justin.tv. -_-

I know when the fights took place on the card, what I'm saying is the event started with the Shields/Miller for me. They cut out the first two fights completely on my broadcast, and those are the two I had missed on the stream as well.

Not for nothing, but all of Strikeforce's stars looked TERRIBLE last night. Even though they all won: Fedor, Shields, and Mousasi were all far from impressive.

Fedor got cut by the first punch of the fight and was then mounted by Rogers and took some heavy ground and pound before round one ended. The supposedly "best heavyweight in the world" shouldn't be getting cut, mounted, and G&Ped by a barely top 20 heavyweight. I could guarantee you that you would never see Carwin, Lesnar, or Velesquez get mounted by that scrub Rogers, who gassed after the first 30 seconds of the fight, by the way.

As for Shields, he also looked really bad. You got your ass kicked by Jason Miller for five rounds, and you're the person who's calling out GSP? Haha. This is the same Jason Miller who GSP decimated when he was a rookie. A rookie. Please, Shields is overrated.

And even though I'm a big fan of Mousasi, (I'd love to see him in the UFC one day) I have to admit, he didn't look impressive against Sokoujou. Mousasi didn't look as bad as Shields or Fedor did, so I won't rip him apart that much. But still, if you're having trouble finishing Sokojou, the same guy who lost two of his three fights in the UFC, then you have a problem. But I'll give Mousasi a pass for this fight, because he's been a beast in all of his other fights and he has a really bright future.

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Fedor got cut by the first punch of the fight and was then mounted by Rogers and took some heavy ground and pound before round one ended. The supposedly "best heavyweight in the world" shouldn't be getting cut, mounted, and G&Ped by a barely top 20 heavyweight. I could guarantee you that you would never see Carwin, Lesnar, or Velesquez get mounted by that scrub Rogers, who gassed after the first 30 seconds of the fight, by the way.

lol

The truth hurts, Will.

You can't honestly say you were impressed by Fedor's performance last night, can you?

You just said Rogers is barely a top 20 HW and then go onto use people like Carwin and Velesquez in the same post. You're biased by the UFC to have any sort of opinion on anything that happens outside of it. It's a fight. You can get cut, mounted, kicked, kissed, whatever. It doesn't matter who you are. He won, nothing more needs to be said.

quote Will

You just said Rogers is barely a top 20 HW and then go onto use people like Carwin and Velesquez in the same post.

Carwin and Velesquez are both top 10 heavyweights. I don't see your point. (and if Carwin beats Lesnar and Velesquez beats Big Nog, might as well move both of them in the top 5)

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You're biased by the UFC to have any sort of opinion on anything that happens outside of it.

Just because I don't suck on Pride's nuts all the time doesn't mean I'm "biased" by the UFC. I hate people who think they're superior to every other MMA fan just because they were fans of Pride and the "old days". So what? That was then and this is now. If you don't like the modern days of MMA, then don't watch it. You could go back and watch all your Pride DVDs while everyone else is enjoying some of the best fights ever in the UFC.

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It's a fight. You can get cut, mounted, kicked, kissed, whatever. It doesn't matter who you are. He won, nothing more needs to be said.

Yeah he won, but it doesn't change the fact that he looked like shit against a barely top 20 heavyweight. In fact, this win has actually hurt Fedor more than anything. Most other heavyweights would make quick work of Rogers. He has no ground game and no cardio. The fact that Fedor struggled against him, despite getting the win, makes him look even worse. You're just blinded by your Fedor love to form an unbiased opinion about the fight.

Twilights post made me laugh hysterically. He's swallowing that Dana White koolaid like Jenna Jameson swallows...well you know.

Looked like shit? Did you even watch the fight? Are you suggesting Cain Velesquez could beat Fedor? If so you have to be kidding.

quote AudiobanK

Looked like shit? Did you even watch the fight?

Yep, multiple times. Fedor lost the first round. He got cut, mounted, and ground and pounded. Second round he came out and landed a shot right to Roger's jaw that knocked him down and the ref quickly stopped the fight.

I guess you could call that one punch Fedor landed as "impressive", but in this case, the negatives far outweigh the positives. If you're labeled as the best pound for pound fighter in the world, you can't be losing rounds to fighters like Brett Rogers.

quote AudiobanK

Are you suggesting Cain Velesquez could beat Fedor? If so you have to be kidding.

Where exactly did I say that, or suggest that? Nice try.

Cain Velesquez has a big test coming up against Big Nog. If he beats him, then we could start talking about greater things.

No, I'm glad you didn't suggest that, it would've been crazy.

He didn't lose the round to Rogers, you're biased if you think that.

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Carwin and Velesquez are both top 10 heavyweights. I don't see your point. (and if Carwin beats Lesnar and Velesquez beats Big Nog, might as well move both of them in the top 5)

Why are Carwin and Velesquez top 10 but Rogers barely makes the top 20? It's because of the company they fight in huh? If if if if, who cares. Plus, this coming from a guy who IIRC didn't think Arlovski and Sylvia were ranked Heavyweights when they fought Fedor. Like I said, UFC is MMA to you.

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Just because I don't suck on Pride's nuts all the time doesn't mean I'm "biased" by the UFC. I hate people who think they're superior to every other MMA fan just because they were fans of Pride and the "old days". So what? That was then and this is now. If you don't like the modern days of MMA, then don't watch it. You could go back and watch all your Pride DVDs while everyone else is enjoying some of the best fights ever in the UFC.

Nobody mentioned PRIDE except you. You're just making shit up now to cover your stupid little rant that was obvious bullshit.

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Yeah he won, but it doesn't change the fact that he looked like shit against a barely top 20 heavyweight. In fact, this win has actually hurt Fedor more than anything. Most other heavyweights would make quick work of Rogers. He has no ground game and no cardio. The fact that Fedor struggled against him, despite getting the win, makes him look even worse. You're just blinded by your Fedor love to form an unbiased opinion about the fight.

He won, get over it. It must suck to hate someone as much as you appear to hate Fedor but will never see him lose. I have opinion, I just chose not to share it with empty heads like you.

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I guess you could call that one punch Fedor landed as "impressive", but in this case, the negatives far outweigh the positives. If you're labeled as the best pound for pound fighter in the world, you can't be losing rounds to fighters like Brett Rogers.

But he has the biggest positive to outweight any of the negative. We all know what that is right? And everyone can have an off day in any job, why is fighting any different?



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I tell ya what guys, I'm a Brett Rogers fan after this fight. It really was an awesome performance from him and there were parts of the match where I thought he could win. I gave him round 1 too. That's the best anyone's done against Fedor in a long time, Nogueira and Cro Cop didn't even look that good against him. Never the less, if you want to see Brock/Fedor, it was the right result. I guess Fedor's next fight will either be Werdum or Overeem

quote DCRage

That fight was just bad. Bad.

quote The Living Angelus

Boring ass fight. Shields sat on top of Miller the entire time. Well, here's Fedor to hopefully pull a Kimbo and kill this promotion off too.

I thought Mayhem/Shields was fight of the night, personally.

Do you say this stuff on purpose to draw a reaction?...

quote TwilightPrince

Fedor got cut by the first punch of the fight and was then mounted by Rogers and took some heavy ground and pound before round one ended. The supposedly "best heavyweight in the world" shouldn't be getting cut, mounted, and G&Ped by a barely top 20 heavyweight. I could guarantee you that you would never see Carwin, Lesnar, or Velesquez get mounted by that scrub Rogers, who gassed after the first 30 seconds of the fight, by the way.

Supposedly? Fedor is the best HW in the world and by a f'n mile - show me a HW with a better resume. Are we going to get into the whole "who ranks where" discussion again, because you seem to have forgotten the Rogers KO'd Arlovski in like 10 seconds in his previous fight. Add that to his previous 10 or so KO's (I can't remember the exact number) against lesser opponents and that puts him just inside anyones top 10. You couldn't name 10, much less, 20 HW's better than Rogers.

You're also giving absolutely no credit to Fedor for his ability to come out of a bad situations and win the fight when he was clearly hurt. Also give credit to Rogers, he looked great out there.

quote TwilightPrince

As for Shields, he also looked really bad. You got your ass kicked by Jason Miller for five rounds, and you're the person who's calling out GSP? Haha. This is the same Jason Miller who GSP decimated when he was a rookie. A rookie. Please, Shields is overrated.

Whut? That was a great fight dude and with a lot of back and forth action, both guys looked good. I gave 3 rounds easily to Shields and 1 to Mayhem, with the first round going either way. Apart from almost getting caught at the end of round 3, Jake Shields was never in any real danger and controlled most of the fight.

When was the GSP fight, like 2004? Christ man, that's so long ago you could almost write that off and everyone knows that MMA math doesn't work. The fact of the matter is, Jake Shields has a great style to match up GSP and both guys have been running through everyone. If GSP takes him down (and he will), Jake Shields is very dangerous off his back and unlike BJ, he's the same size as GSP, so he won't be overpowered so easily. The only knock i still on have on Shields is that his stand up is still...well, not very good and he'll have to improve on that. You're probably the only person who isn't interested in it.

quote TwilightPrince

Mousasi didn't look as bad as Shields or Fedor did, so I won't rip him apart that much. But still, if you're having trouble finishing Sokojou, the same guy who lost two of his three fights in the UFC, then you have a problem. But I'll give Mousasi a pass for this fight, because he's been a beast in all of his other fights and he has a really bright future.

Yeah, I was pleasently surprised with Sokoudjou here and I think he just edged round 1...But, Mousasi still did come back and finish him in the second, so "having trouble to finish" isn't terribly accurate. He's one of the guys I want to see in the UFC too and he needs to keep winning if we want to see that happen.

quote Will

Why are Carwin and Velesquez top 10 but Rogers barely makes the top 20?

Is that a serious question? Look at (and analyze) the fights from all three fighters and you'll have your answer. There's a reason why Carwin is fighting for the heavyweight title and Velesquez is making guys like Rothwell and Kongo look foolish. Rogers would get exposed by most of the heavyweights in the UFC. Just off the top of my head: Carwin, Lesnar, Velesquez, Big Nog, Dos Santos, Mir, Gonzaga, and Kongo are all guys who would make easy work of Rogers.

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Like I said, UFC is MMA to you.

Well considering thats how it's going to be for everyone in a couple of years, I'm glad I have a headstart.

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Nobody mentioned PRIDE except you. You're just making shit up now to cover your stupid little rant that was obvious bullshit.

No, I was just bringing up the PRIDE bullshit before you did. Because you always seem to find a way to include it in your bullshit rants about how the old days were so much better than it is now. The UFC is mainstream now, and you can't stand it one bit.

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He won, get over it. It must suck to hate someone as much as you appear to hate Fedor but will never see him lose. I have opinion, I just chose not to share it with empty heads like you.

I actually don't hate Fedor at all. I just hate the people who ride his dick all the time about how he's the best pound for pound fighter on the planet. It's simply not true. I'd rank Fedor third right now behind Silva and GSP. You never see either of these fighters in trouble as much as Fedor is in his fights.

Oh and of course I'll never see Fedor lose because his management is too chicken shit to let him fight in the UFC. It's kinda hard for Fedor to lose when he gets to handpick his opponents in smaller organizations all the time. Throw him in the mix with all the hungry heavyweights in the UFC and I can guarentee you he will lose a couple of fights. Look at Cro Cop. Fedor doesn't want the same thing happening to him, does he?

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And everyone can have an off day in any job, why is fighting any different?

You are 100% right about this.

quote enzuguri

Do you say this stuff on purpose to draw a reaction?...

For the most part, yes. This forum has been dieing recently and I'm trying to spark some heated debate here, haha.

quote TwilightPrince

You are 100% right about this.

quote enzuguri

Do you say this stuff on purpose to draw a reaction?...

For the most part, yes. This forum has been dieing recently and I'm trying to spark some heated debate here, haha.

Nice try dude, but you're not fooling anyone.