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Is that a serious question? Look at (and analyze) the fights from all three fighters and you'll have your answer. There's a reason why Carwin is fighting for the heavyweight title and Velesquez is making guys like Rothwell and Kongo look foolish. Rogers would get exposed by most of the heavyweights in the UFC. Just off the top of my head: Carwin, Lesnar, Velesquez, Big Nog, Dos Santos, Mir, Gonzaga, and Kongo are all guys who would make easy work of Rogers.

I don't got to analyze shit. I didn't once dispute Velesquez or Carwin being top 10. I'm pointing out that if they are then so is Rogers. I didn't say he was top 5 or even top 7, but he is top 10. For you to say he barely makes top 20 is a stupid statement and you can try and back it up with whatever the hell you want, but everyone knows it was a dumbass statement.

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Well considering thats how it's going to be for everyone in a couple of years, I'm glad I have a headstart.

No it won't...

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No, I was just bringing up the PRIDE bullshit before you did. Because you always seem to find a way to include it in your bullshit rants about how the old days were so much better than it is now. The UFC is mainstream now, and you can't stand it one bit.

I wasn't bring any PRIDE stuff up and if I do it's usually to make a point in an argument with one of you guys. Anyone who's watched MMA longer than TUF will tell you PRIDE was the glorydays of MMA and the UFC hasn't matched that yet. They put on UFC 100 cards every time they put on an event, plus the GP's rapes anything the UFC does atm. And I can't the UFC being mainstream? Where do you pull this bullshit from? I'm a fan of MMA, the more it's on TV the better. I couldn't give a shit if it was the UFC, Dream, Strikeforce or Hillbilly FC. Srsly.

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I actually don't hate Fedor at all. I just hate the people who ride his dick all the time about how he's the best pound for pound fighter on the planet. It's simply not true. I'd rank Fedor third right now behind Silva and GSP. You never see either of these fighters in trouble as much as Fedor is in his fights.

GSP got KO'd by Matt Serra? Everyone was on Silva's back before his fight with Forrest... You make this shit too easy.

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Oh and of course I'll never see Fedor lose because his management is too chicken shit to let him fight in the UFC. It's kinda hard for Fedor to lose when he gets to handpick his opponents in smaller organizations all the time. Throw him in the mix with all the hungry heavyweights in the UFC and I can guarentee you he will lose a couple of fights. Look at Cro Cop. Fedor doesn't want the same thing happening to him, does he?

What you guarantee means nothing. You talk about riding dick all the time but in reality the only person riding dick here is you. Fedor isn't Cro Cop... Seriously. You ride Zuffa's dick so hard you're not even worth arguing with. I've heard and read alllll this before. Does Dana's nuts control your brain or something?

EDIT - Oh, and name me 19 better HW's than Rogers if he's barely top 20. Unless of course you wanna take back your stupid statement? You probably don't even know 20 HW's anyway.

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Also; which top 20 heavyweights has Cain Velasquez beaten? Cheick Kongo? Ben Rothwell?

Same with Carwin, except he beat Manbearpig Gabe Gonzaga.

Rogers KTFO'd Arlovski, who at that point was top 10 easy. Some may have even had him top 5, but that's being generous.

Fedor is easily the best heavyweight in the world, and in the top 3 P4P ratings. The only heavyweights that could possibly beat him at the moment are Brock Lesnar, and if they get lucky Carwin, Mir and dos Santos.

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quote enzuguri

Do you say this stuff on purpose to draw a reaction?...

For the most part, yes. This forum has been dieing recently and I'm trying to spark some heated debate here, haha.

Nice try dude, but you're not fooling anyone.

Hahaha, damn. Fine, let this forum *bleep*ing die. It'll be all of your faults, not mine.

Plus, I'm not the one taking this shit personal. All of you guys are getting your panties in a bunch for no reason. I'm just here having fun. Geez, lighten up.

Alright, I admit it. Fedor is invicible/unstoppable and he would murder any current UFC heavyweight. The UFC and Zuffa are a disgrace to MMA. PRIDE was the prime of MMA, and MMA sucks now. Any fighter in the UFC today would get killed by most PRIDE fighters back in the day. Silva and GSP are overrated. Fedor is underrated. Dana White will be the demise of MMA.

Am I missing anything?

Yea, the fact nobody here said any of that sarcastic shit you just said. Just leave.

Fine, if you really want that. I'll never again post in this forum.

See ya.

Bye.

Please don't leave me alone with these stuck-up assholes. Whether you people like it or not, Fedor didn't look impressive, but it's a waste of time having a discussion with people who take this far too seriously.

Empty head #2.

Only one person that I've noticed has suggested Fedor looked impressive. Maybe you should go back and read the posts before you chip in TO. And who's taking it too serious? He's realised what he's saying is rubbish so he's now backtracking with his last two sarcastic posts. If you guys don't like being wrong, stop posting.

The thing that bothers me is that you just focus on all the negative things about Fedor and give Brett Rogers no credit at all. Why did Fedor not look as good as he has in the past? - Because Rogers made him look like that...Everyone underestimated Brett Rogers and just expected Fedor to walk through him, but he looked great out there.

He landed some big shots and had Fedor in trouble at one point in the first round with his ground and pound up against the cage...BUT, Fedor showed heart and why he's the best by escaping all these bad predicaments and managed to come back with a KO win. As far as strikeforce goes, it couldn't have worked out any better for them...The guy who was expected to win did, but not without a fight with an underdog contender. I don't think there's a single person who wouldn't be interested in a re-match.

Fedor didn't get beat up by a guy show sucks and then land a lucky punch or whatever way you want to twist it. It was great fight where both guys ended up looking good and in a way, a win for both.

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Empty head #2.

Only one person that I've noticed has suggested Fedor looked impressive. Maybe you should go back and read the posts before you chip in TO. And who's taking it too serious? He's realised what he's saying is rubbish so he's now backtracking with his last two sarcastic posts. If you guys don't like being wrong, stop posting.

To be fair, you are an arrogant, condescending asshole.


I'd have given Rogers the first round I think, but since Fedor's nose was broken (or suspected) and he had trouble breathing it does make it all the more impressive that he overturned momentum to fight back and win the fight. Fedor is class.

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To be fair, you are an arrogant, condescending asshole.

My heart bleeds.

Found this quote on Sherdog that could apply to your argument, TP. About Joe Rogan originally IIRC.

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Rogan is not typically a company line-tower, but even if the feeling is genuine, it’ll still be seen as sour-grapes propaganda; Fedor was “exposed” no more than St. Pierre was against Serra or Anderson Silva was in a round against Travis Lutter. It’s a testament to Emelianenko’s reputation that looking human is seen as a disappointment." - Jake Rossen

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In Round 1 Fedor scored two take downs, nearly armbarred Rogers while getting punched and was || close to a Kimura has it not been for Rogers significantly larger size/strength. And that's considered dissapointing.

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In Round 1 Fedor scored two take downs, nearly armbarred Rogers while getting punched and was || close to a Kimura has it not been for Rogers significantly larger size/strength. And that's considered dissapointing.

Look at what you just said dude. Nearly. Close. If.

Unfortunately, you don't get points in MMA for nearly doing something or coming close to something. If that was the case, Matt Serra would have won a decision against Matt Hughes. It's either you do it or you don't. The fact is, Rogers was on top of Fedor pummeling the shit out of him. Enz, Will, and the rest of you tools can twist it any way you want, but that's not *bleep*ing impressive at all. If it wasn't for Rogers' shit cardio, he would have won that fight. Rogers looked dominate until his hands dropped, his mouth opened, and he started breathing heavy. At that point, anybody could have KOed him. Put him up against a *bleep*ing can at that point, and he still would have got KTFO. Knocking out a tired, out of shape, top 15 heavyweight (yes, I moved him up 5 ranks, happy now Will?) isn't something I would consider impressive. Like I said, you're just too blinded by your arrogance to understand an opinion that differs from your own.

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To be fair, you are an arrogant, condescending asshole.

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Please don't leave me alone with these stuck-up assholes.

Glad I'm not the only one who feels that way.

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Empty head #2.

Yeah, just because he doesn't praise Fedor with every little chance he gets, he's an empty head. I believe there's a term for people who look down on other people for having different opinions. Oh yeah, it's called an asshole.

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If you guys don't like being wrong, stop posting.

Maybe you're the one who should stop posting. It's obvious that most people here can't stand you one bit. And to think, I actually considered you to be one of the more intelligent/friendly members in this forum. Oh how I was wrong.

Still backtracking from your original point I see? Why not stop the whole everyone thinks you're an asshole and nobody likes you routine because in case you haven't noticed since this forum was made, I couldn't really give a shit. And I don't believe I've praised anyone during this? I also think I called him an empty head cause he chipped in with his usual suck on someones balls routine. Stop being an emotional little bitch and backup your point or just stfu and get over it.

EDIT - You don't get points for trying to finish a fight lol? Everything you're saying is ifs and buts, everything everyone else is saying is reality. Deal with it.

Reading comprehension problems? My original point was the three main stars of Strikeforce: Fedor, Shields, and Mousasi all didn't look impressive at all, and I think I've backed up my point pretty damn well. There's nothing else I could say to support my point, and honestly, I don't have the motivation to continue to support it right now. Because no matter what I say, it wouldn't get through your thick skull anyway. In your world, you're always right, and anyone who supports the UFC in any way is automatically considered to be a TUF noob with no knowledge of MMA outside of the UFC.

Get real.

And wait, you're calling TO an empty head because he actually backed me up and didn't take your side? Once again, get real.