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Apr 05, 08 at 9:35pm
Education vs. Experience

One of those thread topics that I know we don't want to be the stereotype here, but nevertheless it probably fits better here than anywhere else.

It's been said plenty of times that experience is the best way to learn. You won't learn anything quicker than being thrown in at the deep end and left to fend for yourself.

If that's truly the case, do you believe that education should be more experience-based? Rather than spending 5 odd years with your nose in a book at university, for instance, would it be better to begin as an apprentice with little prior knowledge (comparatively speaking, obviously some would be required) and learning it as you go, or is the system as it is for a reason?



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re: Education vs. Experience

The way I see it, education is experience in a course, and experience is education in the hands-on world. For certain things, one is better than the other, but I tend to see them as equal.



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A basic education is necessary for everything.

I think above that it varies depending on waht you want to achieve. To fix cars, you need practical experience. To perform calculus, you need education. But each needs a bit of the other as well.

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Experience is very important, but when you think about almost any real situation it comes after education. No one at a financial firm cares how long you've worked at Burger King if you never took an accounting class.



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quote Galacticdramon
To perform calculus, you need education
I don't think that this is necessarily a fair comparison. I could argue that to use this example to illustrate the difference between education and experience would be comparing your success at calculus having just been taught it by word of mouth or being taught it through having a crack at a few calculus problems.



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No one at a financial firm cares how long you've worked at Burger King if you never took an accounting class
This wasn't really what I'd meant. I moreover was asking whether you will be more successful at the financial firm if you were to begin at the bottom rung with very little experience but being thrown straight into the deep end vs. learning about it for 4 years and then starting at a higher rung.



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quote Galacticdramon
To perform calculus, you need education
I don't think that this is necessarily a fair comparison.
Why not? It's unlikely you'll learn how to perform calculus by trial and error and without ever being instructed on how to do it.

The point is, if that isn't fair, there's no such thing as a fair comparison of these two options. The point I illustrated was that to perform calculus (a very academic subject) requires one of be taught how it works but there's no need to actually do it to know how exactly it's done and what to do to achieve it, whereas to fix a car just reading out of textbooks won't get them all the way.

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If experience is one of the option to learn on a subject than it is the one you should choose.



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If you want to boil it down experience will get you the job while education will get you better pay. Of course, it's much more complicated than that but it's a general trend.

For example, let's say you're getting interviewed for a good job. You can have a high education but if you don't have much experience it's possible for some with less education to get the job if they have more experience. If you both had same experience, odds are that your pay would increase faster than the guy with less education.

It all depends on where you work though; from what I can tell they really don't care much about experience or education when it comes to flipping burgers.



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re: Education vs. Experience

Education is what you need to qualify for the job, while experience is what you need to efficiently do the job.

I think experience is generally more important. The idea behind how its better to know the background before doing something seems reasonable enough. But a lot of the things you learn are irrevalent to what you do, which is a waste of time. I think education should be more experienced-based. I have labs in chemistry in addition to the lectures. I find that I learn better in a lab setting because I have a better understanding of how the reactions occur, since i can see it myself.

I guess it depends on the person really. If I get a new device, I usually play with it and figure out how it works on my own, referring to the menu only when it is necessary. Therefore, I would prefer the learning-as-you-go way, simply because i only have to focus on what I need to do, and that I know what i learn would be useful to what Im doing.



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It's not what you know, it's who you know.


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In some circumstances who you know might influence your chances of achieving something, but most people do need education and experience to achieve things.

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It's not what you know, it's who you know.

Lol, that's especially true if you're going into politics like me.



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quote Agua
It's not what you know, it's who you know.

Sadly true. When I was going to interview with Piccatiny Arsenal last semester, everyone I knew encouraged me to drop the name of my Design Lab professor, or at least give him as one of my references because he worked with them for 30+ years.

I felt uncomfortable doing that though. I prefer to make my own way through the world and shine on my own, not ride the tailcoats of others.


Now in the education vs. experience debate I have to bring the following point up.

With experience comes education, granted it is not formal -sitting in the classroom for hours until you fall asleep and don't even recall anything that was spoken about- education, but hands on learning by doing education, which in my opinion is much better.

At my school they have what is called the Cooperative Learning Program, or Co-Op for short. You are able to take several semesters off to work as a full-time employee of various companies. This helps build up an impressive resume and gain invaluable experience while still in school. The majority of these companies offer students full-time jobs upon their graduation.

So really Experience = Education, but does it work the other way around? Unfortunately, not usually.


Anyone can recite facts, figures, and equations off the top of their head, but when it comes down to it- that can only get you so far. You still need to know what to do with them and how to implement them in the real world. That is where the experience part comes in.




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re: Education vs. Experience

I go to a select entry school (nerdville) and I'm learning a lot, but still it can't compare to my old school. It taught me to see both sides of the story and not to judge someone before you get to know them. It also gave me great counselling skills.



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re: Education vs. Experience

I agree with Deathsythe. In a sense, having a book in front of your eyes, reading and memorizing the content is a form of experience in itself. I would think that being more involved in a lesson makes a lot more sense, and helps to establish that experiencey type of learning.

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