In COD4, I could go and get like 20 kills and 2 deaths, then get killed again by an airstrike, only to respawn directly underneath the SAME AIRSTRIKE AND DIE AGAIN, then respawn on top of a grenade, then again in the middle of battle, etc. Next thing I know I have 10 deaths and didn't even get a chance to walk 15 feet. I've been spawn killed probably hunreds of times in COD4 and can't remember being spawn killed in vegas yet.

But RB6:V's spawn system still sucks huh?

quote Deadman Rules

In COD4, I could go and get like 20 kills and 2 deaths, then get killed again by an airstrike, only to respawn directly underneath the SAME AIRSTRIKE AND DIE AGAIN, then respawn on top of a grenade, then again in the middle of battle, etc. Next thing I know I have 10 deaths and didn't even get a chance to walk 15 feet. I've been spawn killed probably hunreds of times in COD4 and can't remember being spawn killed in vegas yet.

But RB6:V's spawn system still sucks huh?

Ok:

I go four and two and then spawn. I walk outside the room I spawn in and then immediately get sniped; there is a sniper just camping with his scope right outside the door. I wait and finally respawn again. Go the other way and as I head to the hallway BOOM I get blown up by C4. I spawn again and my teammates say "Let's try to hold out in this room they are spawn camping. So we are waiting it out and then a grenades gets thrown in and well die. Process repeats.

This ^ happens to me about one out of every two games.

What you mentioned in COD4, none of that has happened to me in my whole "career" never mind one game. The only time I have been killed by the same air strike has been on shipment. Seriously if all that happens to you in ONE game you are unlucky because I have never spawned on a grenade and I have only spawned in a firefight maybe five times.

But you would rather spawn at the same spot every single time so the enemy can just wait for you to come out while they are set up and waiting.

You may spawn in the same one or two locations in Vegas, but at least you spawn in safe places. In your situation with the sniper, you could've easily avoided that with a smoke/flash/tear gas, whatever.

You cannot, however, prevent what Deadman Rules said (respawn, air strike, etc..)

You're bitching about the average spawn killing and avoiding the fact that CoD4's system is absolutely 10x worse because it puts you in the worst situations possible.

quote Cdemon

You may spawn in the same one or two locations in Vegas, but at least you spawn in safe places. In your situation with the sniper, you could've easily avoided that with a smoke/flash/tear gas, whatever.

You cannot, however, prevent what Deadman Rules said (respawn, air strike, etc..)

You're bitching about the average spawn killing and avoiding the fact that CoD4's system is absolutely 10x worse because it puts you in the worst situations possible.

Ok, you could do the same in COD? Seriously, the point is they know exactly where you are every time.

If you respawn in an airstrike in any map besides Shipment then I call it bs or just exetremely unlucky. This have never happened to me or anyone I know.

COD4 has way better spawning than Vegas.

You've yet to prove that.

Prove what? I believe COD4 is far superior for reasons I have mention but you disagree with my reasons. And I disagree with yours. Come on now? 10 straight deaths from "bad spawning"? Bullshit.

Your belief, huh? Then why are you stating it as a fact?

You want to argue that the spawning system in Vegas 2 is terrible, yet the only argument you've put forward is the fact that you were killed by a sniper shortly after running from your spawning location. Deadman and I both have had experiences far worse in CoD4, not due to the levels themselves, but the actual spawning system, which is flawed terribly. Instead of spawning you in a relatively safe place, a la RSV2, it puts you right in the middle of the battle field.

quote Cdemon

Your belief, huh? Then why are you stating it as a fact?

You want to argue that the spawning system in Vegas 2 is terrible, yet the only argument you've put forward is the fact that you were killed by a sniper shortly after running from your spawning location.

Are you blind? I'll give you a second to re-read this. I have even bloded parts for you.

quote a Dude

I go four and two and then spawn. I walk outside the room I spawn in and then immediately get sniped; there is a sniper just camping with his scope right outside the door. I wait and finally respawn again. Go the other way and as I head to the hallway BOOM I get blown up by C4. I spawn again and my teammates say "Let's try to hold out in this room they are spawn camping. So we are waiting it out and then a grenades gets thrown in and well die. Process repeats.

Why are you stating your things has a fact. Seriously, you are sounding pretty hypocritical right now. We both bring point for our respective sides but you just say mine are messed up.

Multiple time I have asked if you ever were in the same airstrike on a map besides shipment and no one has said other wise. Why? Because it doesn't happen. I have never been in a game where someone has spawned in the same airstrike twice excluding the joke of a map called Shipment. You say you spawn in the middle of a firefight. Not exactly sure what you mean by this but if you mean like in someones line of fire or like in there scope? You haven't brought anything to the table besides the airstrike thing which is completely bogus.

Where have I stated anything, other than my actual occurances, as fact?

You went down a hallway and got blown up by C4; how is that spawn killing? You spawned, walked down a hallway and got killed. I'm talking about being killed within two seconds of spawning.

As I said before, you and your teammate deserved that for not using what the game gave you; flash bangs, smoke grenades and tear gas. These all impair the enemy's vision and will allow you to get from point A to point B unharmed.

I remember being shot by a camper on Bog, then spawning nearby the same place where I died, getting killed again and then I spawn on the other side of the map and get killed by an airstrike. This happened more than once. How is any of that as preventable as the situations I described on Vegas 2?

quote Cdemon

Where have I stated anything, other than my actual occurances, as fact?

Please, explain to me how I stated things as a fact whereas your were just "occurances"

quote Cdemon

You went down a hallway and got blown up by C4; how is that spawn killing? You spawned, walked down a hallway and got killed. I'm talking about being killed within two seconds of spawning.

The hallway right outside of the spawn room in junkyard. I spawn step out the door of the room take a few steps and die.

quote Cdemon

I remember being shot by a camper on Bog, then spawning nearby the same place where I died, getting killed again and then I spawn on the other side of the map and get killed by an airstrike. This happened more than once. How is any of that as preventable as the situations I described on Vegas 2?

You deserved that for not using what the game gave you; smoke grenades. Seriously, if it is so "easy" to avoid spawn camping in Vegas why can't you do the same in COD4.
And were you spawned in an already called airstrike that was going on or did you spawn and then an airstrike was called on your position. I'm pretty sure it is the latter because I have never experienced that. Maybe you spawn set up and then an airstrike comes in.

quote a Dude

Please, explain to me how I stated things as a fact whereas your were just "occurances"

I do believe you stated that "COD4 has way better spawning than Vegas." That's spoken as fact. Now, please show me where I've said anything similar. All I've posted are my occurances, you know, things that happened to me in the game. I haven't made such ridiculous statements without backing them up with factual information.

quote a Dude

The hallway right outside of the spawn room in junkyard. I spawn step out the door of the room take a few steps and die.

Throw a flash.

quote a Dude

You deserved that for not using what the game gave you; smoke grenades. Seriously, if it is so "easy" to avoid spawn camping in Vegas why can't you do the same in COD4.

There's little to no period in CoD4 where you're invincible after respawning. You expect me to throw a smoke as soon as I spawn, right in the middle of an open area? See, what you're explaining for Vegas and what I'm explaining in CoD4 is totally different. You went into another area before being killed; I WAS KILLED AS SOON AS I SPAWNED. Last time I checked, it's possible to spawn right in the middle of an airstrike.

What's so hard to understand? Are you seriously that dense?

quote Cdemon

I do believe you stated that "COD4 has way better spawning than Vegas." That's spoken as fact. Now, please show me where I've said anything similar. All I've posted are my occurances, you know, things that happened to me in the game. I haven't made such ridiculous statements without backing them up with factual information.

Based on my experiences I do think that. Since I am writing this it is obvious. Kind of like in an essay you don't say I think -stuff- You are writing it; obviously it is your opinion. Unless you want me to say "My opinion is" before every sentence.

quote Cdemon

Throw a flash.

So after I spawn I should just throw a flash every which way? Seriously, I have no idea where they exactly are. There is no radar (another flaw) or killcam in this game. I just step out of the room and get owned by C4 and some guy hiding somewhere. And I don't think a flash would prevent him from detonating C4.

quote Cdemon

There's little to no period in CoD4 where you're invincible after respawning. You expect me to throw a smoke as soon as I spawn, right in the middle of an open area? See, what you're explaining for Vegas and what I'm explaining in CoD4 is totally different. You went into another area before being killed; I WAS KILLED AS SOON AS I SPAWNED.

Yes, I'm sure you are killed immediately right? As soon as the counter stops and it starts within half a second. And yes throw a smoke in an open area; that is what the are for?

quote Cdemon

Last time I checked, it's possible to spawn right in the middle of an airstrike.

Shame, because it wasn't when I checked. And for the umpteenth time: Was it and airstrike already underway or did you spawn and THEN it was called.

Come on, thing you are posting is absurd. But I guess maybe this only happens to you because I know noone who has ever died as soon as they respawn.

I'm not playing it; not often at least. I'm just trying to bring up the point. Playing games with no respawns would be even worst. Read the first page. I have "ADHD and can't wait 8 seconds"; why would I want to wait a whole game.

Spawning camping is being outplayed. Yes, and once it starts you have no chance to comeback. If you start out bad it is way too unforgiving.