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Mar 15, 09 at 2:31am
Return of the Deleted Seven DW Characters...?

Seven warriors were lost in the transition to Dynasty Warriors 6. No fancy new costumes, no new weapons, and not even a chance to be Free Mode-only. These characters were omitted in complete detail (e.g. no generic stand-ins at important battles either). They are the Deleted Seven:
  • Da Qiao
  • Pang De
  • Jiang Wei
  • Xing Cai
  • Zhu Rong
  • Meng Huo
  • Zuo Ci
However...

Dynasty Warriors 6: Empires has officially announced the return of Meng Huo. The Nanman King has dropped 200 pounds of fat and gained 300 in muscle: Meng Huo redesign

And now, Koei reissues the Orochi series in efforts to squeeze out every penny of profit of the tired PS2 combat engine with Musou Orochi Z (or Warriors Orochi: The Collective for NA/EU). Orochi Z is a PS3-only merge of WO and WO2, but with a handful of new content (including two new characters, Benkei and Sanzang Fashi (Tripitaka) )

Another new addition is a fourth costume for each character (another thread in itself). All DW character get their DW6 costumes, so what do the Deleted Seven get? Take a look:


thanks to SuperDioplus for finding the pics


Notice how Meng Huo has his DW6:E body (sort of... still has the fat, hunched-over stance). I wonder if this is a clue of the future of the Deleted Seven. Perhaps this is a glimpse of their future, a glorious return in DW7 (or even perhaps DW6:E) ? Will they return? Should they return? Thoughts?


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re: Return of the Deleted Seven DW Characters...?

Would be exciting news if there was any promise of KOEI mixing up their game a little.Re-addition of characters is silly to me. It should be the re-addition of CERTAIN characters, denail that others like Xing Cai even existed, and then the new-addition of Yu Jin, Guna Xing, Zhang Bao, etc..

And are those scans from PS3.... ugh..


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Mar 15, 09 at 4:39am
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I think Pang De and Jiang Wei have to be there...I never liked nanman much, but I guess they add variety, adding an exotic aspect to the game...the xiao's are completely useless^^ Zuo Ci has little to do with battles, too.


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Bringing back characters would be brilliant - they shouldn't have gone in the first place so I think that they will be making a return somewhere along the line Meng Huo does kinda look like the new model of him with the bone necklace, head gear, muscles etc so it certainly could be based on their DW6:Empires outfits - would they have gone far enough into the design of DW7 to create costumes etc yet? I'm not sure that they would want to give anything about that away yet (although the same can usually be said for all of their games) so personally I think they may all return in DW6:Empires

I completely agree that Xing Cai should just stay removed - why she was ever introduced in the first place is beyond me Jiang Wei however is essential storyline-wise so just can't not be in it so he absolutely should come back, similarly with Pang De to a slightly lesser extent. Meng Huo and Zhu Rong are just such fun characters with the Nan always having been an interesting force to play as since they were introduced and since Meng Huo is already coming back, both should return (Zhu Rong being the only female that seems to actually fight in a full battle too...) Xiao Qiao doesn't work without her sister so although I'd prefer some important Wu general, I think Da is kinda needed...Zuo Ci, whilst I like his character, did seem a bit of a random addition considering who else could've been selected - he doesn't really seem to have a need to stay playable but I would quite like him too...and Xing Cai can just disappear forever

Pang De's costume looks brilliant with the removal of some of the armour making it believable that he could actually be part of the Xi Liang cavalry The outfit does kinda look like DW6 Zhao Yun though Zuo Ci's costume, whilst looking freaky, does suit his 'in-novel character well' so thumbs up there too Zhu Rong has to have blond/white hair though! It's too attractive to be lost! She does however look much more tribal in that outfit

As for DW7 characters, Deng Ai and Ding Feng need to be playable imo! They would support the return of Jiang Wei well, allowing for the 'post Zhuge Liang death era' to flourish with that time period currently being very weak. Ma Dai would also be great playable in support of Pang De's return along with Wang Ping (who can replace Xing Cai) to support the later times once again (although Liao Hua would be best for that I guess) They're just my opinions on the one character from each faction to add anyhow - more than one would be preferred of course

That WOZ does look very handy for those who haven't got the WO games yet but for those of us who already own both, there seems very little point getting it really...it does seem odd moving the 'old moveset system' onto the PS3 too I do like the look of that 'ribbon-armed girl' very much though = my kind of character - new cutscenes look good but they appear to be centered solely around the new characters so would only be few in number and there don't appear to be any new stages looking at the maps so even the new dream/dramatic stages wouldn't be that original...I think I'll just be waiting for DW7 now really


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Jiang Wei has always been basically my favorite person from Shu to use. If they bring him back with that outfit, I don't think I'd play anybody else. especially if his moveset isn't garbage(see Lu Xun).

Zuo Ci looks cool enough to bring back, but that's the only reason I'd bring him back. otherwise he can stay out.

If Xiao Qiao's in bring back Da Qiao. please. Atleast as a cinematics character or something. one without the other... it just fails.

never cared for Zhu Rong. Meng Huo can stay. Zhu Rong would add comical... flavor to the nanman, but other than that... don't really care if she stayed or not.

Bring back Pang De. He's important.

Xing Cai. No.

As far as WOZ goes. I hope they really don't screw Benkei like they did Yoshitsune. Yoshitsune didn't fit in WO2 at all, but with Benkei he finally has a place. Other guy idk about.

I still highly dislike WOZ simply because... it's another WO. I love the WO series and everything, but I just have this... unrelenting bias against WOZ that simply won't let me like it no matter what they do.


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Mar 15, 09 at 5:52am
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Am I like the only person who liked Xing Cai?




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I came into this thread looking for something good. I am now leaving.



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Mar 15, 09 at 11:32am
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Removing cloned movesets of the existing characters would be more worthwhile than bringing these guys back imo, but I would like to see a few of them return in the future.
Pang De with a personality makeover could be a great addition, fleshing out Tong Gate, not to mention Ma Chao and Ma Dai (if he ever joins the roster).
The Nan Zhong stages are always fun to play, and tbh I can't see how they can bring Meng Huo back while leaving out Zhu Rong.
Zuo Ci was a great person to play as in DW5, so I'd like to see him back, but not as the highest priority.
I don't personally like Jiang Wei, though I can see he is essential to the story if it is to extend past 234 AD.

All those costumes look great though. Things are looking up for the Warriors


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Mar 16, 09 at 6:04am
re: Return of the Deleted Seven DW Characters...?

Things are looking up for the Warriors
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Not really,they're still the same warriors whom have now been used for way too many releases.A slightly different costume doesn't change that they're still the same characters that debuted in DW5,lived on through DW5Xl/E and then through WO/WO2.

Add in the fact that those same maps,too,are suffering from the same reused factor and you have another Koei game.I'd say things are looking cross-eyed for the warriors.

I shall join Kakusei in his departure...


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Mar 16, 09 at 8:56am
re: Return of the Deleted Seven DW Characters...?

Eh, what can I say: I'm optimistic After going so long with no information, I consider any news to be good news. I didn't say I'm going to buy the game, just it looks like it could be a positive step forward.


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Which for Koei means there will be three steps back and a heavy truck to knock you to the side.


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re: Return of the Deleted Seven DW Characters...?

They look pretty much the same, now guys, go and pay to use them when they had no reason to leave them out.


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re: Return of the Deleted Seven DW Characters...?

quote Kuja
Am I like the only person who liked Xing Cai?
I liked her potential.

Is it worth adding returning characters when there is so much more to be done, adding new levels, improving gameplay, deciding if to give stories to everyone, decloning movesets? In the long term:

Meng Huo: I really think he should be empires or free mode only, he has one stage then a not too convincing what if story. Other then a Liang worshipathon, the Nanman were insignificant compared to the Shan Yue, Wuhuan or the Qiang, why not give them a stage vs their respective Chinese counterparts?

Zhu Rong: See above.

Jiang Wei: No as things stand. Yes he was important to the story but only after Wu Zhang, as things stand they have 3 adviser types and that is crowded as it is. Should they go past Wu Zhang then bring back Jiang Wei and make him nastier, Shu needs one or two evil blokes.

Zou Ci: Fun to play as so would like him back but free mode only

Pang De: When Ma Chao gets a musou mode, Pang De should return with a story of his own. His career under and against so many lords makes him a fascinating man

Da Qiao: Prefer her over Xiao but would drop both

Xing Cai: Drop Guan Ping, there is little they can do with him, include Cai instead. While on paper she doesn't have much, daughter of Zhang Fei, wife of Liu Shan, said to be frugal, there is a lot of possibility. Related to the Xiahou's and Cao's, connection to three brothers and through her, koei can show the lazy Liu Shan in a different light then traditional.
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re: Return of the Deleted Seven DW Characters...?

When the hell will they give us back Fu Xi and Nu Wa?



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Mar 28, 09 at 1:00pm
re: Return of the Deleted Seven DW Characters...?

Fu Xi and Nu Wa are present in Warriors Orochi 2

I don't believe that there should've ever had to have been a decision as to whether to give every character a story mode or not. Never before DW6 was there a problem in cutting out characters/story modes so I personally found it outrageous that such things happened - the game revolves around the story modes so each character having one should simply be compulsory in my opinion.

Also in defence of Guan Ping, at least he was in the novel unlike Xing Cai...we've got WO for the fiction now so I'd rather stick to 'historically influenced' events/people within the DW games I'm unsure as to why Jiang Wei would be a bad guy too - he didn't do anything to promote an evil character; quite the opposite really with Huang Hao being the bad guy...

Expanding the game to include battles centered around the Qiang etc sounds a nice idea though


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