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 reaver11Never rub another mans rhubarb!
Seeketh Maximus     since: Dec 2004 |
 Jun 23, 09 at 7:03am |
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Remember that old Gravedigger in the first GOW? Anyone else think that that wasn't Zeus? I mean, I admit, I once thought it was him just because Zeus has a history of taking many different physical forms, and because they were voiced by Paul Eiding. But having just replayed the game, I'm skeptical now. Zues had already given Kratos power so we knew he was helping him, so why the shady disguise?
"Who...are you?" "Ah! That is an interesting question..." Anyone else think this could lead to a huge potential plot twist/revelation? I hope so. I like it when games' sequels reveal stuff like this at a later time...and make sense.  ------------------- | |
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Existence A Man Chooses, A Slave Obeys.
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 Jun 23, 09 at 7:44am |
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Well, I've forgotten most of the cutscenes from GoW1, so I'll just watch that bit again and post my thoughts.
That was the level in hell with those 2 pillars of blades, right? Damn, they were really annoying. EDIT: Can't find them. Anyone mind linking me? This message was edited by Existence on Jun 23 2009. ------------------- | |
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DragonMaster Dyne Orlando Magic: 19-6
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 Jun 23, 09 at 6:11pm |
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The Gravedigger character isn't important enough to be involved ina plot twist of any kind. Hell, I didn't even remember him until you just made this post.
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reaver11 Never rub another mans rhubarb!
Seeketh Maximus since: Dec 2004 |
Jun 23, 09 at 7:28pm |
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On the contrary, I think he is. He basically dug a hole for you to escape Hades. Now who the hell can do that? I don't know what the gene is called, but the guy had two different colored eyes, and he seemed to know pretty much everything about Kratos. If it wasn't Zeus, which I'm pretty sure now it wasn't, then who was it?
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DragonMaster Dyne Orlando Magic: 19-6
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Jun 23, 09 at 8:56pm |
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To be honest, I don't really care. You know, its one of those things where if they DO reveal the Gravedigger to be someone powerful in the third game, all it would do is get a "Okay *shrug*" reaction out of me. They could leave him out completely and I dont think many people would take notice.
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Taker4ever With a hi-hi-ho and a hi-hi-hey!
Neo: Essential    total posts: 12166 since: Jan 2003 |
 Jun 23, 09 at 9:11pm |
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I'm sorry, but I find it hard to believe The Gravedigger was anyone but Zeus. For a start, who else would be able to dig down into Hades other than a God? It certainly wasn't a mortal. Secondly, Zeus was believed to take different human forms when visiting Earth, among which one of the most common was as a Gravedigger. And finally, it clearly looks like Zeus, which I don't consider a coincidence.
I'd have to look over the dialogue again to be entirely sure, but I would be very surprised if it was anyone other than Zeus. If it is someone else? My only guess is Chaos, the ultimate 'supreme being', responsible for the creation of the Universe in Greek mythology. -------------------  EXCLUSIVELY on Playstation 3! | |
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DragonMaster Dyne Orlando Magic: 19-6
(moderator) Batman: Arkham Asylum wiki staff 24 batman total posts: 17503 since: Oct 2004 |
Jun 23, 09 at 10:04pm |
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Yeah. See, all I remember about the Gravedigger was him opening up Hades for you and then Kratos having a brief conversation with the man. Wasn't anything memorable that stuck in my head, which is why I can't see them turning him into some major plot twist in this game.
So...most likely Zeus.  ------------------- | |
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reaver11 Never rub another mans rhubarb!
Seeketh Maximus since: Dec 2004 |
Jun 23, 09 at 11:47pm |
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But that's my point. Why put something as subtle and obvious as that and not explain it? Think about it. The average person who is uneducated in Greek myth would not know that that's Zeus, if it was Zeus.
Like I said, I always thought it was Zeus, but it was never revealed it was him. And why take the Gravedigger form? Its not like he wants to conceal himself from Kratos. He gave him a portion of his power. And what would the big deal be of digging him out of Hades? Also, I didn't think Zeus could foresee the future. The Gravedigger knew that Kratos would need help climbing out of Hades. Zeus is not a clairevoyant. "Athena is not the only God keeping watch on you, Spartan" were his exact words. That doesn't prove that its Zeus, its just saying someone wants him to succeed other than Athena. Zeus' actions in GOWII made me think he either didn't care or was very cautious about this happening. Oh, and I didn't mean for it to be a "super major plot twist", but something that would make you look at things differently, like, "oh, that makes sense now". ------------------- | |
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Final Blade Legendary Seeker
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Jun 24, 09 at 2:31am |
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I'm pretty sure it was Zeus. Most of the Storyline is taken from Greek mythology. Zeus has been known to take over forms, as taker said one most common is a grave digger. I don't see how Zeus couldn't be able to foretell a possible future. I mean he is the top GOD of Olympus.
God of War 1 he was doing the bidding of the gods and getting revenge on Ares. So in a sense, the gods and Zeus was trying to help him out either noticeably or secretly. As long as he does the main work, they can give him tips or help him in other ways(taking other forms lets say or death) to escape danger. As for 2, Kratos became power hungry taking over places he shouldn't have and that's why the gods, specifically Zeus stepped in personally to stop him. Thus started his revenge. There's probably a couple of characters that could be used as a plot twist, his brother for example. I just think you're reading too much into that, reaver. I've always thought it was Zeus, just pretty obvious when you think that god of war story is tied to the actual greek mythology story. ------------------- Welcome to Crisis Core forum Welcome to Bad Company 2 God of War 3 official forum community | |
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Existence A Man Chooses, A Slave Obeys.
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Jun 24, 09 at 5:44am |
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While its never specified that its Zeus, I think its most probable.
However, you have a point about Zeus not being clairvoyant. How did he know that Kratos would later end up in Hades and he'd have to dig him out? (unless he consulted the Fates or something) ------------------- | |
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Final Blade Legendary Seeker
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Jun 24, 09 at 5:51am |
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Because Zeus is a god?
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reaver11 Never rub another mans rhubarb!
Seeketh Maximus since: Dec 2004 |
Jun 24, 09 at 5:57am |
quote Final BladeOne would think so, but Zeus had to confront The Fates to find out about Kratos' possible rebellion. That led me to believe Zeus has no knowledge of the future. I could picture it being, one of which being Chronos, who is the personification of time. He is often depicted as an elderly man with a beard. But then again, most of them are. And as Taker4Ever said, Chaos (something I've been hoping for a long time. quote Final BladeI might be, but there's nothing wrong with speculation. No one can say 100% its Zeus, but the facts are there to support that, yet there are some things that point in the other direction too. ------------------- | |
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Existence A Man Chooses, A Slave Obeys.
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Jun 24, 09 at 5:57am |
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If I remember correctly, Greek Gods can't see the future (with a few exceptions, and Zeus isn't an exception) In fact, as far as I know, only Apollo and Cassandra can see the future (don't know if the Fates count) and the latter can see only future tragedies.
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Final Blade Legendary Seeker
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Jun 24, 09 at 6:35am |
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Have you just considered this is a game, and while most of the stuff is based off the greek myth stories, stuff might've been altered for the sake of the game. In this case, Zeus being able foretell a possible future. I do not believe there was any hint of Zeus going to SoF to know about his rebellion. I remember practically alot of both games and I honestly don't remember that. I'll check on youtube, but if you have a video cutscene of that I'd appreciate it.
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reaver11 Never rub another mans rhubarb!
Seeketh Maximus since: Dec 2004 |
Jun 24, 09 at 7:31pm |
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Well I don't know for sure that he confronted them about Kratos, but there is a mural in GOWII that, when examined, reads something like, "Zeus confronts the Sisters of Fate in hopes of changing the fate of Olympus" (thats not an exact quote; I can't remember exactly what it said). I'm not sure exactly what fate that is, but you can see that he indeed needed their aid.
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