I do not see why the Obama Administration should be jailed for tax evasion. Perhaps Tim Geithner should be. I won't argue against that.

Also, nice jab at liberal government. Even though it had nothing to do with the thread, really, nice work.

I saw Sean Hannity accuse Obama of calling America a Muslim nation, when if you listen to his real speech, Obama strictly said the country is not a Muslim nation or any other kind of religious nation. I saw Bill O'Reilly on the Factor, complaining about how the paparazzi harasses celebrities in their private lives, only to proceed to the next segment of his show with one of their reporters doing a perfectly fine story when they harass someone at their home who recently took and "unfavorable" political view. In fact, it was on The Daily Show that I saw this pointed out, quite humorously.

Really, the bias in Fox News is laughable. I am not saying other media outlets lack it, but Fox is definitely the worst, not simply because they are conservative, but because of their tactics.

Well, i'd prefer if this thread didn't get into political semantics because in reality both the parties are almost identical. They just label their shit differently in order to give the appearance that they somehow differ, when they don't. Political lines shift all the time, there's a reason Teddy Roosevelt is considered a conservative when he was anything but. Try talking to an old individual and ask them what party they are, then tell them what that party stands for. nine out of ten times, they'll be horrified and say "that's not the [insert name of party] i joined!".

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Also: "Evil program"? Since you think terrorists are so great (Seeing as Cheney was part of a COUNTER-Terrorist program), why don't you enlist in the Marines and go to Iraq? I'm sure the terrorists are so joyous and good.

This just reeks of hypocritical irony. What do terrorist groups do? Oh yeah, hide out of plain sight and plan the deaths of other people. What was Cheney's group doing? Oh yeah, hiding out of plain sight and planning the deaths of other people.

One person's terrorist is another's patriot i suppose.

Oh, and i was a Marine.

You were a Marine? I'm not trying to be derogatory, but why don't you still consider yourself one? I've never heard a Marine say he "was a marine". This is off-topic, I'd just like to know why. Every time I've heard one, he claims he is a Marine, even though he's no longer serving.

Btw, with the hiding out of sight logic, is it right to assume that we should arrest the scientists in Area 51?

I was only in for a brief period of time and was medically retired as an E-3, Lance Corporal, after i sustained an injury that prevented me from holding a rifle properly.

I was there long enough to earn the title and not much else. They sold me the line of bull about how i'm their brother and trained me to think and feel proud to be part of the Marine Corps. But when i got hurt, and was put in a position where i was of no use to em anymore, they put me out to dry and left me behind.

I learned a cold reality from my time in the Corps that i'm not too fond of.

The scientists in area 51 don't plan to kill people, as far as we know. If they do, we should totally arrest them.

I did not create this thread to debate political semantics. The purpose was really more of moral and legality, the fact of the matter is that Chaney, and the CIA members that went along with this are criminals, greater then any we have faced abroad. The list that they had was apparently written up by the VP, alone. He has broken the law two fold, we as America decided THIRTY years ago, AMERICA DOES NOT ASSASSINATE. And that congress shall have over site of any program that operates under the authority of the United States Government. This is not a discussion about left and right, is of right and wrong. And no matter what side of the isle this is from it is Immoral (and damn near Amoral) and should not be allowed to exist. The people involved in getting this program up and running should be prosecuted and jailed. The whistle blowers should be commended and thanked by the president and the people of this country.

Good, that is what we need to hear. The law was broken; now it must be enforced.

It won't be though.

There is no reproach, the government is forced to act at this point. The legality of this is know and the perpetrators are know, therefore the government has to respond. If it is anything BUT subpoenas to Chaney and the others involved, there will be public backlash and massive drops in support for the Obama administration. He would not get reelected if he did not follow though. I for one will not vote for him again, or ANY other candidate if nothing comes of this. What little faith I put into this man will be gone, and all that will be left is resentment towards the system.

If he does get prosecuted for this, I hope they at least bother to find out if his actions were justified or not, rather than just finding him guilty simply because he went against the law. For all we know, this little program he created could have saved lives.

I know it's not always as simple as that, but I don't see the problem with keeping it secret if it helps protect the country. National security should be our #1 concern, after all.

No, people in public office SHOULD NOT be held to a different standard. People in the Bush Chaney White house already got away with a great deal more, including killing American Service men in a war of opportunity, that need not have been waged. There is no bearing that this "saved" lives because there is no provable justification for that.

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No, people in public office SHOULD NOT be held to a different standard. People in the Bush Chaney White house already got away with a great deal more, including killing American Service men in a war of opportunity, that need not have been waged. There is no bearing that this "saved" lives because there is no provable justification for that.

I don't think it really has anything to do with them being in a higher position than us. I'm sure you've seen plenty of movies where some rogue cop ends up saving the day because he goes against the law to save lives. I know that this situation isn't exactly like that, but the main idea is still the same. I actually feel more secure knowing that the government is doing stuff like this behind our backs. I'd hate to think that the government is as simple as what you see on the constitution and the amendments.

You are forgetting the fact that that list could have had any number of names. Anyone declared a terrorist by the government was a possible candidate to get killed, that includes people in Green Peace and other "radical" groups that have done nothing wrong to be labeled such. That could also be you or I due to the Patriot act being able to tap our phones and look into our bank records. ANYONE could be targeted. There is a difference between keeping us safe, and protecting their interests. Also of note is that the program, as so far as we know had not gotten off the ground, but was in the planning stages. Which means they were getting ready to work out the details of the operations.