I just played GT4 Prologue and it is amazing. As many gamers have a PS2 and an Xbox I wonder what others think. Even though this is just a cut down demo of GT4 (to be released this Autumn) it still puts PGR2 to shame for these reasons:

much smoother graphics that create a real sense of speed
the sound of the cars and air moving is amazing
the replays are more artistic and smooth
the control feels tighter and more realistic (like a real car)
the crowd are animated in 3D and wave
the tracks look fantastic the Italian country course beats the Florence course in PGR2 hands down for beauty.

One thing is certain: when GT4 is released in full it will burst the bubble of hype that surrounds PGR2

I think PGR2 and GT4 shouldn't even be in the same category. GT4 is all about realistic graphics and simulation racing, while Gotham is about having fun and looking stylish in a car. If speed is all you care about, PGR is not the game for you. Why do you think it has the MINI Cooper, and other slow-ass cars?

As for the graphics, PS2 doesn't have the power to show up Xbox.

'As for the graphics, PS2 doesn't have the power to show up Xbox.'

It is a tribute to Polyphony that they can take the old PS2 and and create a game that looks better than any driving game on Xbox despite the Xbox being more powerful. God knows what Polyphony could produce if they released games for XBOX. GT4 on Xbox would be a dream.

As for slow cars - GT4 also has slow cars. The cars go slow - the frame rate goes fast.

The cars go slow the framerate goes fast? HAHAH, you do realize that the framerate really has no impact on how fast the cars go, just how fast the frames are displayed on the screen.

Who are you kidding mcheif, PGR2 is a game if you don't want to go fast? Can you say Ferrari Enzo?

The real difference is in the car selection and control. Where as PGR2 focus' more on exotic cars like the Ferrari. Gran Turismo focus' more on racing with the cars that most normal people would drive or could actually get their hands on like a Dodge Viper or Porsche (Ruf). PGR2 goes for an arcade like control but yet is still quite difficult to master. However in Gran Turismo they go for a more simulation and real life racing style however I have yet to play a GT game where you couldn't just bump off walls and continue racing. I think PGR2's ability to mess up the cars and actually come to a complete stop when you hit a wall makes it more fun and a tad more difficult.

Polyphony Digital (GT developer) always said that they wouldn't create car damage because the car manufacturers didn't want them to show damage, and always wanted them to look their best. However in PGR2 you can bash up a Ferrari all you like, now that makes no sense. You can bash up a beautiful Ferrari but ohhhh no, the Honda Accord is off limits in GT!

quote brianclarke

One thing is certain: when GT4 is released in full it will burst the bubble of hype that surrounds PGR2

Even if the PS2 is being used to it's potential with GT4, it really doesn't mean a thing. It's just that the Company made use of it's potential out of a crappy system. Yes GT4 looks lovely and all but PGR2 is more than a fun game. Even though the cars don't look as realistic as in GT4, that doesn't take the fun out of it.

GT will always be meant to be a Sim. As PGR will be meant to be a ARCADE type game. That's why Forza will be the Driving simulation for the XBox. Not only that, you'll be able to customize your car in many ways. GT always had some certain restrictions on the customizing part.

So for the Creator of this thread, think a little bit more about what you're going to post on. Especially if it's in reference to criticizing or comparing games. Get your facts a little more better to make a Debatable and Constructive conversation.

I've watched a demo of this, and the in-race segments that I saw certainly didn't seem to me to be an improvement on PGR2 graphics in any way. There was a lot of horrible strobing and apparent anti-aliasing issues. In addition the much vaunted spectators looked like cardboard cutouts.

quote Alias353

The cars go slow the framerate goes fast? HAHAH, you do realize that the framerate really has no impact on how fast the cars go, just how fast the frames are displayed on the screen.

Who are you kidding mcheif, PGR2 is a game if you don't want to go fast? Can you say Ferrari Enzo?

quote mchief0

I still think PGR2 isn't a game for speed freaks. If you look at all the classes that they offer for cars, you would realize that if all you wanted was speed, you wouldn't need the first 13 classes.

quote mchief0

I still think PGR2 isn't a game for speed freaks. If you look at all the classes that they offer for cars, you would realize that if all you wanted was speed, you wouldn't need the first 13 classes. Can you honestly say that just because there is an Enzo that the game is fast? There are no upgrades, first of all, and for the car stats, they don't show any track times such as 0-60 and quarter-mile times. All they show are kudos, which is why I think PGR2 is more of an arcade game, and cannot compare to GT4

quote mchief0

quote Alias353

The cars go slow the framerate goes fast? HAHAH, you do realize that the framerate really has no impact on how fast the cars go, just how fast the frames are displayed on the screen.

Who are you kidding mcheif, PGR2 is a game if you don't want to go fast? Can you say Ferrari Enzo?

I still think PGR2 isn't a game for speed freaks. If you look at all the classes that they offer for cars, you would realize that if all you wanted was speed, you wouldn't need the first 13 classes. Can you honestly say that just because there is an Enzo that the game is fast? There are no upgrades, first of all, and for the car stats, they don't show any track times such as 0-60 and quarter-mile times. All they show are kudos, which is why I think PGR2 is more of an arcade game, and cannot compare to GT4

Yeah, point out the obvious. the whole point of any racing game is to work your way up. Why doesn't anyone think that GT4 is more about speed than PGR2? Just think of the fastest car in GT3 and the fastest in pGR2, and you will see my point.

Also, I understand your point about slow cars in GT4, but there are tons more in PGR2.

Deeplove, either u cant read or ur friggin stupid; go to the gt4 forum on this site, the picture on the top of the page says REAL DRIVING SIMULATOR
anything with real and simulator in the title obvioulsy aint an arcade game
by the way start comparing gt to sega gt for xbox cuz they're both in the same genre, bizarre (pgr2) didn't take full advantage of the xbox's graphic capabilities, god they're from the frickin UK, u cant expect them to be pros on american technology, no game on xbox reaches the system's full potential

I'm not even going to get in an argument with you cause I said that PGR2 is an Arcade Game. Either you're kinda slow or you just didn't take time to read what's going on, you would've noticed that I wasn't referring to GT4. So don't talk with your mouth full, you just might choke.

quote deeplove

I'm not even going to get in an argument with you cause I said that PGR2 is an Arcade Game. Either you're kinda slow or you just didn't take time to read what's going on, you would've noticed that I wasn't referring to GT4. So don't talk with your mouth full, you just might choke.