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Lavitz bleep DMD Neolithic total posts: 6757 neopoints: 1050 since: Aug 2001	Feb 09, 09 at 2:35am re: Lost Season 5
	I see what you're saying The Dave, but I don't think Jin going back 16 years in time to Danielle's arrival will affect Danielle in the future. Think about Back to the Future, where Marty goes back in time and his mom in the future falls in love with him. Yet when he goes back to the future (hah! see what I did there?), she doesn't recall ever loving him in the past. BUT, with all that being said, that would hurt my thoughts of the islanders' (ie. Charlotte/Miles) nosebleeds being "the sickness" present-day Danielle spoke of. ------------------- Hai gaiz!!!
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Enth E Nd NeoXtreme total posts: 8521 neopoints: 742 since: Jan 2003	Feb 09, 09 at 10:08am re: Lost Season 5
	quote Grievous quote Incidnia He was the reason there was a boat to blow up in the first place. What? Ben was the one constantly warning the 815 survivors not to call the people on the freighter. Ben killed Keamy, which caused the boat to explode I don't know how she would know that though... ------------------- [DanMorrisonAnimation]
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Incidnia NeoXtreme since: Mar 2004	Feb 09, 09 at 10:14am re: Lost Season 5
	To be honest, I don't know why she doesn't blame Widmore, after all it was his boat. But I still believe she blames Ben simply because the boat with 200lbs of C4 was there for him and him only.
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Enth E Nd NeoXtreme total posts: 8521 neopoints: 742 since: Jan 2003	Feb 09, 09 at 11:12am re: Lost Season 5
	She must just be neutral to him since he was ordering men to go to the Island to kill everyone, and wanted to use him for info on Ben. To be honest I'm not taking her "I blame 2 people for Jin's death" too seriously, since in the Season 4 finale Jack also said "Sun...blames me for what happened" implying she actually has a grudge against more than 2 people. ------------------- [DanMorrisonAnimation]
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KujasSilverDragon Neo or Bust wiki staff devilmaycry since: May 2004	Feb 09, 09 at 11:45pm re: Lost Season 5
	I don't think her dad should be one of the two. I don't know, the whole "Sun with Balls" thing is starting to get old already - it just doesn't work for her. ------------------- <3 My Love <3 I see your face in constellations The martyr is ending his life for mine
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Irish Gamer Odi et amo Permanently Plugged In total posts: 13139 since: Feb 2003	Feb 11, 09 at 7:20pm re: Lost Season 5
	The whole Danielle not remembering Jin thing - when Faraday spoke with Desmond, Desmond woke up in the future and suddenly remembered. Danielle, being dead, doesn't have an opportunity to do this. Edit: I don't know if I explained that very well. What I mean was, Faraday speaking to Desmond is a new memory for him. Yes, Danielle has now met Jin but when she interacted with the survivors initially, she had not met Jin. If she was still alive on the island, then she would now remember that she had met Jin before. If that makes sense. Of course, this is only what I understand from it and the Lost writers might throw something crazy in there to explain which won't make any sense to me at all. ------------------- Ron says: I just drink to a point where everything makes me laugh Ron says: once something stops being funny, I drink more
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aphex Resident Neo since: Jul 2007	Feb 12, 09 at 3:12am re: Lost Season 5
	Spoiler: Tonights Jin follows the french people to some temple that the Monster has pulled one of the people into a small hole. He flashes before the guy goes down into the hole, and ends up seeing Danielle shoot all of her people. It looks like they were trying to kill her. Jin reunites with losties. They all travel to the orchid Charlotte faints, is unable to follow them and Dan stays with her. They find it, flash happens, a well is now there. Haha Locke goes down the well midway as it flashes. Charlotte reveals she was at the island as a kid. Her mother and her left and told her she made it up. She's been trying to find it ever since. She then tells Daniel that the man who told her "Never to return, or she would die" is actually him, Faraday. Charlotte dies Back to the real world... - Ben tells Sun that Jin is alive and he can prove it. He drives Sun and John to Elloises house and he shows her the ring and says that's the only way he could have gotten her to come. Desmond comes around the building and is like 'Wtf yall doing here? You're looking for Faradays mother too?' Show ends with Locke being down in that lever place with Christian. Telling him HE has to move the island and go back.
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Master of Chaos. Neo: Essential since: Nov 2001	Feb 12, 09 at 8:09am re: Lost Season 5
	quote Irish Gamer Edit: I don't know if I explained that very well. What I mean was, Faraday speaking to Desmond is a new memory for him. Yes, Danielle has now met Jin but when she interacted with the survivors initially, she had not met Jin. If she was still alive on the island, then she would now remember that she had met Jin before. If that makes sense. What you're explaining makes sense, but they already screwed themselves over by showing Richard visiting baby Locke, before Locke jumped to that certain time period to tell him to visit him in the first place. In this sense, Danielle should have recognized Jin, because they're playing it out as if everything already happened. That scenario with Richard and the island jumping through timelines gave me an idea... I'm not even going to call it a theory, it's just something that came to mind: Spoiler: LAWST So, when it showed that the wheel was stuck and it kept flashing, I imagined that the island kept jumping around to different locations on its own. Then, I recalled that they keep showing rather significant events... like the heroin plane crashing and Danielle's crew arriving, which made me think - is the island jumping around to different locations on earth AND different time lines at the same time? Is that how all of these different people got onto the island, because the island just so happened to get in their path at that specific time, before making another jump and sealing them there? ------------------- Forever the King of Pop.
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m2caldwell To boldly go... s-e-e-k-e-r since: Nov 2002	Feb 12, 09 at 2:01pm re: Lost Season 5
	quote Master quote Irish Gamer Edit: I don't know if I explained that very well. What I mean was, Faraday speaking to Desmond is a new memory for him. Yes, Danielle has now met Jin but when she interacted with the survivors initially, she had not met Jin. If she was still alive on the island, then she would now remember that she had met Jin before. If that makes sense. What you're explaining makes sense, but they already screwed themselves over by showing Richard visiting baby Locke, before Locke jumped to that certain time period to tell him to visit him in the first place. In this sense, Danielle should have recognized Jin, because they're playing it out as if everything already happened. That scenario with Richard and the island jumping through timelines gave me an idea... I'm not even going to call it a theory, it's just something that came to mind: Spoiler: LAWST So, when it showed that the wheel was stuck and it kept flashing, I imagined that the island kept jumping around to different locations on its own. Then, I recalled that they keep showing rather significant events... like the heroin plane crashing and Danielle's crew arriving, which made me think - is the island jumping around to different locations on earth AND different time lines at the same time? Is that how all of these different people got onto the island, because the island just so happened to get in their path at that specific time, before making another jump and sealing them there? Spoiler: Lost I think the island is moving through time and space like a pendulum, evidenced by the fact that Mrs. Hawking seems to be tracking its movements with a pendulum in the season opener and in the preview for next week. I also think that while it's moving, it must be easier to find since it motion may be predictable, which is why they have to get back to the island within a certain amount of time, before it stops and the island is hidden again. This would explain why the flashes are coming quicker and quicker now, since the swings of the pendulum/island are getting smaller and smaller as it comes to rest. ------------------- quote ChiroVette you are 100% right, caldwell
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Maxwell Atoms "Don't tell me what I can't do!" s-e-e-k-e-r since: Jul 2007	Feb 12, 09 at 9:17pm re: Lost Season 5
	The island is moving through time, yet initially, when Danielle met the survivors, she didn't know Jin. Everything had already happened as it did. Now, the survivors are going back in time, Jin interacting with Danielle wasn't supposed to happen, no one is supposed to intefere with the past. Do you understand yet? And 'This Place Is Death' is the first episode that i am going to miss on its air. I missed the episode on previously, yet caught it the day after (Due to the Baftas, i thought they weren't going to be repeated and i wanted to watch to see if Ledger would get the award). That was the first time i willingly missed an episode, still watched it a day after ofc though. Yet, against my will, i'm missing upcoming 'This Place Is Death' now as i'm going on holiday... I have watched the sneak peek, and wow.... i can't say anything but... oh its so good to see such a thing again. Yes its in the past. But its still more visible info. Annoyed over missing Lost though. My Uncle's taping it for me atleast ------------------- Over? why, my dear delusional Dark knight... it hasn't even begun...
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Master of Chaos. Neo: Essential since: Nov 2001	Feb 12, 09 at 9:36pm re: Lost Season 5
	quote Maxwell Atoms Now, the survivors are going back in time, Jin interacting with Danielle wasn't supposed to happen, no one is supposed to intefere with the past. And yet their interactions together already had an impact, as I explained with Richard visiting baby Locke, the season PRIOR to these time jumps. It's inconsistent. ------------------- Forever the King of Pop.
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Kuduros Who is best? John Tarolta? Neo or Bust total posts: 7387 since: Nov 2001	Feb 13, 09 at 11:02am re: Lost Season 5
	Really good episode this week, just answering some questions without spewing out thousands more in their place. It was really good to spend time with Jin too, seems like an age since time's been dedicated solely to his plight. Locke's little story of being the reason they all get back was pretty cool and they even managed to squeeze in a little focus on why he ended up dead at the end of Season 4 which I thought was great. I hope they're not gonna milk this getting everyone together thing for too long with random members falling out and leaving the group, doesn't seem like it with Mama Faraday saying "ah bleep it, this amount will do for now". Even managed to get Des crammed in in the church graveyard of all places! Fingers crossed for emotional reunion next week! ------------------- Kiefer Sutherland on ending 24: "I see Jack as a really human figure and there is something innately tragic about people. I think there is no winning."
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edgefan246 Still Seekin' total posts: 3909 since: Jul 2007	Feb 13, 09 at 11:48am re: Lost Season 5
	Spoiler: .... The thing that intrigued me the most was one.....where the Blck Smoke Monster live. I wanted Jin to go down there and the camera to follow cause I wanna see...then the guy saying it's a security system for the Temple. Temple? I need to know more about this... And second....Faraday telling Charlotte years ago not to come back to the island. Intresting.... -------------------
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Q22 supermod total posts: 9023 since: May 2002	Feb 13, 09 at 3:33pm re: Lost Season 5
	I think the temple thing might be related to the giant foot statue. I guess the Island was once inhabited hundreds or thousands of years ago by some sort of settlement. Wouldn't surprise me if they worshipped Jacob in the temple or something, I dunno. Writing on the walls of the temple was hieroglyphics and didn't that tiny room Ben go in having similar hieroglyphics writing? Ben summoned it, so I guess it is a security system. Meaning Richard would know about it too so hopefully he'll get a chance to tell Locke one day ( and us ) if he becomes leader cause I'm guessing we all seriously doubt he is dead forever. It's the small things like the statue that really bug me, not the big answers, because we're likely to get an explanation about those eventually.
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Jelar Constant Resident Neo since: May 2002	Feb 13, 09 at 6:15pm re: Lost Season 5
	quote Master quote Maxwell Atoms Now, the survivors are going back in time, Jin interacting with Danielle wasn't supposed to happen, no one is supposed to intefere with the past. And yet their interactions together already had an impact, as I explained with Richard visiting baby Locke, the season PRIOR to these time jumps. It's inconsistent. It's not interfering with the past if it happened that way anyway. Danielle was the only of her troop who didn't get the sickness because Jin was there to tell her not to go in in the first place. Which is why she had to kill all of the other frechies, which is and has always been her backstory. Now we just know why she didn't get the sickness with the rest of them Wonder why she doesn't recognize Jin? She's insane as balls. Sixteen years mind you between then and now. Plus I'm pretty sure they never really interacted in the first place. She meets Sayid in the jungle plus Hurley and Charlie (I think) when they're out looking for a battery. And even then she only interacted with Hurley. By the time she shows up in the main camp Jin is off on the raft with Michael, Sawyer, and Walt. The only opportunity they ever had to even cross paths is the couple hours between them setting up the bombs in the tents at the end of season three, and them heading out for the radio tower. And again, Jin stays at the beach for that. He is always absent when she is not. Wham-bam, they couldn't be following their own rules to more of a T. ------------------- Directive?
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