NIce job people, now I can't see Ghostmember's post.

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No, he helps funds when he arrives. He still uses it, but he still helps funds as long as the Rapier is not broken. It's like saying that Louise helps funds with her Silver Gem and Silver Bow. She still uses the Silver Bow, but it doesn't change the fact that it boosts your funds rank.

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I don't know where you're getting these absurd figures. You attack Aion first because he's a sitting duck and you want EXP. If you attack Kishuna and if Kishuna leaves or dies, Aion's raping you with Bolting. It's just plain stupid to attack Kishuna first.

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lol wut? You can still kill Kishuna after killing Aion so I don't see your point.

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lol. That only works if you stick Bartre, Canas, or some other crappy unit/magic user. If you put someone like, say, Florina, she easily trounces the Peg knights and even if she takes damage, she could always use a Vulnerary or take one from storage.

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Okay, your logic pretty much sucks.
You use Kent/Sain/Lowen/Marcus to get your Lords to the door in front of Darin quickly.
HHMLegault >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any generic unpromoted enemy at that point. He even deals decent damage to Knights since he comes with a Steel Sword.
And if Merlinus died it's your own fault. It's quite easy to keep him alive if you assign a guard. >.>

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You're going longer without the offense boost. If you chose to go with A Kent, Lyn'd be giving up A Florina which could've happened 27 turns ago and she'd get +1 POW, +10 Hit, and +10 Crt compared to B Kent's boosts for those 27 turns.

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No, Serenes does not give averages. It gives estimates which do not factor caps. Use RPGDL for FE stats. They are far more accurate.

quote ste guitar789

Don't worry MastaHazuki, I'll take it from here.

quote Eliwood the Slayer

If he's using the funds, then there's no point bringing this up.

quote Eliwood the Slayer

You're the one who brought up "if you kill kishuna, then kill aion" thing.

quote Eliwood the Slayer

Hahayeahright. Kishuna's got god health and avoid. There is no way you can use up a good unit to one kill aion, then use your other units to try and kill Kishuna. No. It's not happening unless you arena-abuse.

quote Eliwood the Slayer

HHM mode, she's probably level 12. She can't take wave after wave after wave. And if you leave a good unit back, you're offense is losing strength, and the generic boss person and his lackeys are blockading you and gives you a hard time recruiting Legault.

quote Eliwood the Slayer

If you're using someone to protect Merlinus, your offense lacks, and it's harder to get rid of the units up there, because they're blocking you from going. And if you're using Kent/sain/marcus, two of them to bring the lord and protect Merlinus, who's bringing matthew to open the door? All I recall is a unit behind the door dropping a key.

quote Eliwood the Slayer

1 chapter in earlygame is enough to wait. Besides, 4 pow is good until you get 5. >.>

quote Eliwood the Slayer

I'm not using nothing which doesn't give regular averages.

quote Eliwood the Slayer

Lyn still gets Cavalier/armor boost, 0 cost, very low weight, and still a good crit boost. Eliwood is using up funds using Killing edges. And when he runs out of his fair shair of killing edges, Lyn's still got some of her own.

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Not really. He's still helping funds when he doesn't use it.

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o_0 I don't recall saying that. I believe I said "Kill Aion, then kill Kishuna".

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He doesn't leave until turn 13 you have time to gather your troops around him after you kill Aion.

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Yes she can. HHM Lv 12 Peggies w/ Steel only have lyk 52 real Hit on your level 12 Florina. And she has access to your whole supply of Vulneraries.

And Eliwood, Lyn, Hector, and Marcus all two round the generic boss. His lackeys are even crappier than he is and your lords one round them. Also, there is the option of making the generic boss split his forces by splitting up your own group of fighters and moving them through the central room.

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Not rly. 1 Peg Knight doesn't make that much of a difference in offensive strength. You still have your lords, Erk, Kent, Sain, Raven and all your powerhouses with you. And Matthew has 6 Mov. He can keep up with your mounted units.

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Considering the Mov difference, I'd say 2 and a half chapters. But you're making both Florina and Lyn weaker. :\

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Then they aren't called averages. They are called estimates.

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Eliwood has his Rapier for Cavaliers and Knights. He's using Killing Edges for everything else. Lyn has her Mani Katti for Cavaliers and Knights. But here's the problem: If she uses iron/steel/killer weapons for other units, Lyn is losing out in either offense or evade to Eliwood. If Lyn uses her Mani Katti for other units, she's running out of uses faster than Eliwood is going through Killing Edges

What does NPC stand for?

Non playable characters. Also known as green units.

Huh..

Eliwood's got less strength than Lyn.
Eliwood's got the same speed as Hector.
Eliwood's got less skill than Hector.
Eliwood's got more defense than Hector.

What has the world come to?

This message was edited by Eliwood the Slayer on Nov 17 2007.

quote Eliwood the Slayer

Non playable characters. Also known as green units.

Huh..

Eliwood's got less strength than Lyn.
Eliwood's got the same speed as Hector.
Eliwood's got less skill than Hector.
Eliwood's got more defense than Hector.

What has the world come to?

This message was edited by Eliwood the Slayer on Nov 17 2007.

Nice barre chord Ste. =D Where's your pic?!

=O

Oh noez, you stolded GM's Joek!

There I am!

I meant pic as in Guitar pic. It didn't look like you had one.

On-Topic:

Moulder, Natasha, or L'Arachel. Go.

Definetely Natasha as a Valkyrie, But Moulder can be amazing as a Sage because of their caps if he gets good growths. La'arachel just plain sucks for me TBH.

Well, the only reason Natasha Valkyrie would be for mounted healing. L'Arachel could go Mageknight or Valkyrie, but since Anima is better than light magic, I'd go Mageknight. Moulder makes a better sage since he can actually wield the heavy tomes without losing much AS.

Though, as far as magic users go in FE8, I'm going to have to go with:

Artur > Lute > Moulder > Natasha > L'arachel > Knoll > Ewan.

Ewan takes too long to train without tower abuse, & Knoll has no luck or avoid at all, and is also tough to train without tower abuse. Artur > Lute because Artur actually gets some constitution, and has more well-rounded stats, with excellent resistance. Perfect for Bishop.

It's more of a toss-up between Natasha & L'Arachel. Moulder comes in earlier, and at a higher level than Natasha & L'arachel when they arrive chapters later. Moulder could probably be at least level 10 by the time L'arachel joins at 3. She's just good for her movement mostly, which is one thing she has over both Natasha & Moulder.

Though, as far as I'm concerned, with healers: It's all preference.

Personally,

Lute > Artur > Moulder > Ewan > L'Arachel > Natasha > Knoll.

Lute maxes magic quite easily as either a Sage or Mageknight (65% growth ftw), and I just plain like her better than Artur, lol. Anima > Light. 'Course, they're both pretty much equal otherwise.

Moulder's the best healer for two reasons: his early joining time and the Sage promotion. Being able to wield Anima & Light Magic as opposed to just Anima (L'Arachel; mageknight) or just Light (Natasha; Valkyrie) rockets him over the other two.

L'Arachel over Natasha was an easy choice for me, because L'Arachel starts off mounted, and in Early- and Midgame, that is a very useful ability, even though she does join underleveled. Plus, better SKL and SPD growths make her better as a Valkyrie than Natasha (assuming you make them both Valkyries, of course).

Ewan? I've always been a fan of the trainees. Don't know why. And he also gains favor because he's my only Dark Magic user (Knoll just plain sucks). ...Plus, he's bright blue! That's gotta count for something. XD

Ewan>Artur>Lute>Natasha>Moulder>Knoll>L'arachel.

I can't BELIEVE you can't think Ewan is the best. As a SAGE at least, he is INSANE! HE MAXED OUT MAG, SPD, AND DEF AT LEVEL 15!

Of course Ewan's the best, he gets an extra ten levels. Too bad you need to abuse the Tower like crazy to get him anywhere. By the time you get him, the enemies are way too strong for him. Same goes for Knoll, but he can challenge & kill most magic users in that Chapter. Ewan can hardly scratch anything. Both start out pretty bad though.

Though the best thing about Natasha, which gives her a huge edge on L'Arachel is that she gets Darkslayer as a Bishop, making her wreck in Creature Campaign, Random Skirmishes, and the crappy storyline monster battles. Of course, Artur & Moulder could get these too, but Sage is better for both of them, even though I choose to make Artur a Bishop, because I don't use Natasha. >_>

Ross is the best trainee since he can actually fight the storyline enemies well. I usually get him promoted 10/1 by the end of Bazba chapter. (Bazba abuse FTW)

Actually, non of the magic users have bad defense. Moulder, Artur, & Lute's are all passable, especially for magic users.

Well I think Amelia is the Best. Seriously, What Knight maxes out SPD before STR?!WTF!