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GhostMember Jacket! :3 Hooked on Neo wiki staff fireemblem total posts: 4351 since: Oct 2006	Nov 13, 07 at 3:56am re: General On-Topic Discussion FE OLDIES UNITE!
	quote Eliwood the Slayer She's promoting about the same time as Rebecca, though. Actually, Reikken's comparison is assuming you promote her at chapter 26 which seems unlikely due to the Heaven Seal more likely going to Eliwood. -------------------
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Eliwood the Slayer Neolithic total posts: 6646 since: Jul 2006	Nov 13, 07 at 4:04am re: General On-Topic Discussion FE OLDIES UNITE!
	It's debatable for where the heaven seal goes. >.>
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GhostMember Jacket! :3 Hooked on Neo wiki staff fireemblem total posts: 4351 since: Oct 2006	Nov 13, 07 at 4:30am re: General On-Topic Discussion FE OLDIES UNITE!
	quote Eliwood the Slayer It's debatable for where the heaven seal goes. >.> Eliwood is a better fighter offensively and has higher Eva than Lyn. You don't need to be a genius who's more deserving for a Heaven Seal. 20K to make a good unit better >>>> 20K to make a bad unit decent. -------------------
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Eliwood the Slayer Neolithic total posts: 6646 since: Jul 2006	Nov 13, 07 at 4:35am re: General On-Topic Discussion FE OLDIES UNITE!
	quote Eliwood is a better fighter offensively and has higher Eva than Lyn. Hahahaha no. For that to actually happen, you need Harken, which I believe joins after the heaven seal. Then you need to support-train Harken, blah blah blah. >.> Offensively is greatly debatable. Lyn's prf weapon >>>>>>>>>> Eliwood's prf weapon
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GhostMember Jacket! :3 Hooked on Neo wiki staff fireemblem total posts: 4351 since: Oct 2006	Nov 13, 07 at 5:10am re: General On-Topic Discussion [Where the big boys come to play]
	quote Eliwood the Slayer quote Eliwood is a better fighter offensively and has higher Eva than Lyn. Hahahaha no. For that to actually happen, you need Harken, which I believe joins after the heaven seal. Then you need to support-train Harken, blah blah blah. >.> 20/- Eliwood with A Lowen has 61 Eva. 20/- Lyn with A Florina B Kent has 58 Eva. B\| I rest my case. quote Eliwood the Slayer Offensively is greatly debatable. Lyn's prf weapon >>>>>>>>>> Eliwood's prf weapon Eliwood can wield the Killing Edge without Spd loss. Eliwood also has 1 more POW compared to Lyn w/ Mani Katti while wielding it. And when Florina flies off on an errand, Eliwood has a 4 POW lead on Lyn. Eliwood's offense >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lyn's offense. If you give Lyn a Killing Edge too, her POW ties with Eliwood's with Florina, and loses to him by 3 POW without her. And Eliwood's Eva lead increases and Lyn's AS lead drops. Eliwood is still winning in both offense and durability. B\| This message was edited by GhostMember on Nov 13 2007. -------------------
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MajeSan Starlight Tactician forum fever total posts: 397 since: Oct 2007	Nov 13, 07 at 6:37am re: General On-Topic Discussion FE OLDIES UNITE!
	quote GhostMember quote Eliwood the Slayer Offensively is greatly debatable. Lyn's prf weapon >>>>>>>>>> Eliwood's prf weapon Eliwood can wield the Killing Edge without Spd loss. Eliwood also has 1 more POW compared to Lyn w/ Mani Katti while wielding it. And when Florina flies off on an errand, Eliwood has a 4 POW lead on Lyn. Eliwood's offense >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lyn's offense. If you give Lyn a Killing Edge too, her POW ties with Eliwood's with Florina, and loses to him by 3 POW without her. And Eliwood's Eva lead increases and Lyn's AS lead drops. Eliwood is still winning in both offense and durability. B\| This message was edited by GhostMember on Nov 13 2007. That's completely irrelevant in terms of Profession Weapons, you realize. You're arguing a point that nobody brought on you. Also, Bows. S-Rank Bow > S-Rank Lance. ------------------- Pokémon Diamond Code: 2234 3670 6473 CRA Friend Code: 1547 3050 2814
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GhostMember Jacket! :3 Hooked on Neo wiki staff fireemblem total posts: 4351 since: Oct 2006	Nov 13, 07 at 7:28am re: General On-Topic Discussion [Where the big boys come to play]
	quote MajeSan quote GhostMember quote Eliwood the Slayer Offensively is greatly debatable. Lyn's prf weapon >>>>>>>>>> Eliwood's prf weapon Eliwood can wield the Killing Edge without Spd loss. Eliwood also has 1 more POW compared to Lyn w/ Mani Katti while wielding it. And when Florina flies off on an errand, Eliwood has a 4 POW lead on Lyn. Eliwood's offense >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lyn's offense. If you give Lyn a Killing Edge too, her POW ties with Eliwood's with Florina, and loses to him by 3 POW without her. And Eliwood's Eva lead increases and Lyn's AS lead drops. Eliwood is still winning in both offense and durability. B\| This message was edited by GhostMember on Nov 13 2007. That's completely irrelevant in terms of Profession Weapons, you realize. You're arguing a point that nobody brought on you. Also, Bows. S-Rank Bow > S-Rank Lance. No, he's saying that Lyn's offense is better than Eliwood's because of the Mani Katti. I'm showing that Eliwood's offense is better than Lyn's because he can use better weapons more effectively. The fact that Eliwood's Rapier is inferior to the Mani Katti has no relevance to Eliwood's offense since he's only using it to kill cavaliers/armours while Killing Edges would be his most used weapon as it is the best weapon he can use. And you've got to be joking me. Neither unit is S-ranking Bows nor Lances. Both S-rank Swords since there's way too little time to train Lance/Bow level. Anyways, bows suck in comparison to lances. They can't counter melee attacks, they can't get WTA on anything, and their high cost per use does not justify their low Might. B\| -------------------
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MastaHazuki Let me be the fire in your eyes Hooked on Neo total posts: 4249 since: Feb 2003	Nov 13, 07 at 12:09pm re: General On-Topic Discussion FE OLDIES UNITE!
	Jellywood>Lyn obv., but Lyn's prf weapon is free, right? And using Jellywood's puts you back 6k IIRC. Just a random point for Lyn. She needs it. ------------------- "Death's gotta be easy, 'cause life is hard."
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Eliwood the Slayer Neolithic total posts: 6646 since: Jul 2006	Nov 13, 07 at 3:00pm re: General On-Topic Discussion FE OLDIES UNITE!
	Yeah, I was about to bring that up; cost. Eliwood's taking up money, while Lyn gets more uses and is free. So, you're saying Eliwood going to use killing edge often? Try iron sword vs. iron, or steel sword vs steel sword, or prf vs prf. I'll get to stuff later, as I have school. >.> If Lyn's supports only give 3 avoid, then kill me, cause I'm sure they don't. >.> Lyn has around 65 I believe. Eva is irrelevent since Lyn's winning in it, even with eva loss. More later.
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teh_swordmaster should know a lot about swords s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1750 since: Dec 2006	Nov 13, 07 at 4:28pm re: General On-Topic Discussion FE OLDIES UNITE!
	How many of you guys hate it when you lose a unit? I really do and I always end up restarting the chapter, that's why I haven't completed Hector's story yet. ------------------- "To beer, or not to beer" -Hamlet
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MastaHazuki Let me be the fire in your eyes Hooked on Neo total posts: 4249 since: Feb 2003	Nov 13, 07 at 5:04pm re: General On-Topic Discussion FE OLDIES UNITE!
	I hate it when I lose a unit and my team was blessed on almost every level. >,< Then I replay the mission and I get rng screwed so bad, but end up completing the chapter. ------------------- "Death's gotta be easy, 'cause life is hard."
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Armageddon Vortex I don't care about myself gone postal total posts: 489 since: Jun 2007	Nov 13, 07 at 7:19pm re: General On-Topic Discussion FE OLDIES UNITE!
	I'm still on chapter 4 in PoR because of losing either Ike or Rhys. -------------------
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GhostMember Jacket! :3 Hooked on Neo wiki staff fireemblem total posts: 4351 since: Oct 2006	Nov 13, 07 at 9:42pm re: General On-Topic Discussion FE OLDIES UNITE!
	quote MastaHazuki Jellywood>Lyn obv., but Lyn's prf weapon is free, right? And using Jellywood's puts you back 6k IIRC. Just a random point for Lyn. She needs it. What it means is that Eliwood gives 6300G to your party right when he arrives while Lyn gives only 2800G IF you A-rank funds in Lyn's mode. So now Eliwood is helping funds rank more than Lyn. quote EtS So, you're saying Eliwood going to use killing edge often? Try iron sword vs. iron, or steel sword vs steel sword, or prf vs prf. I'll get to stuff later, as I have school. >.> Yes, he's using Killing Edges often. You have a Silver Card. Use it. quote If Lyn's supports only give 3 avoid, then kill me, cause I'm sure they don't. >.> C Kent gives 2 Eva. B Kent gives 5. quote Lyn has around 65 I believe. No. She isn't. At 20/-, she has 19 Spd and 15 Luk. That gives 53 Eva. Factor B Kent and it gets boosted to 58. quote Eva is irrelevent since Lyn's winning in it, even with eva loss. No, she isn't. quote More later. 'kk. ;-D -------------------
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Eliwood the Slayer Neolithic total posts: 6646 since: Jul 2006	Nov 14, 07 at 1:28am re: General On-Topic Discussion [Where the big boys come to play]
	quote What it means is that Eliwood gives 6300G to your party right when he arrives while Lyn gives only 2800G IF you A-rank funds in Lyn's mode. So now Eliwood is helping funds rank more than Lyn. Oh, ok. Let's not factor in rapier then. Let's see, Eliwood can not kill knights, cavaliers, nomads (fast nomads > pansywood), loses hit, critical, and might. quote Yes, he's using Killing Edges often. You have a Silver Card. Use it. Two things. 1. Aion. Once you involve something with him, Kishuna leaves. When Matthew steals something, he tries to run with someone rescuing him, and HHM is too hard for someone to one round Aion. Even Marcus. And with that factored in, you can't get 20xx. But even if you DO manage to get the card... 2. Legault and Merlinus. Hector hard mode is not easy. With limited people, and needed use of the three lords, you're not gonna want someone to protect Merlinus, as he/she is gonna get killed from overkill of pegasus knights. EVEN if you get Legault and steal the card, Merlinus is probably dead from the pegasus knights. Legault is not going to get only killing edge. He's gonna have to get others, if he wants to balance out the team and not be biased against people who's names are not Eliwood. So, very limited killing edges. Then, with multiple sword users (Lyn, Raven, Guy, cavaliers, etc), that's even less killers you can get. So, I'd 1 killing edge for Eliwood. quote C Kent gives 2 Eva. B Kent gives 5. I just realized Kent's supports are better than Lyn's. Don't give me that shit about how he wants Sain, if Eliwood gets your preferred, Lyn gets mine. So, 7 avoid, 17 hit, and 17 critical. Compared to 0 hit, 0 critical, and 25 avoid, it's pretty evened out. And don't bring up "critical is unreliable". Mana katti/killing edge brings up Lyn's critical greatly, and is going to deal out more damage with it. quote No. She isn't. At 20/-, she has 19 Spd and 15 Luk. That gives 53 Eva. Factor B Kent and it gets boosted to 58. 20 speed and 15 luck. A Kent's 7, and that's a 62. Oh well, still better. quote No, she isn't. Oh well. >.> Btw, Mani Katti >>> Iron sword, so that's helping out Lyn with what, 3 more might?
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GhostMember Jacket! :3 Hooked on Neo wiki staff fireemblem total posts: 4351 since: Oct 2006	Nov 14, 07 at 4:26am re: General On-Topic Discussion FE OLDIES UNITE!
	quote Eliwood the Slayer quote What it means is that Eliwood gives 6300G to your party right when he arrives while Lyn gives only 2800G IF you A-rank funds in Lyn's mode. So now Eliwood is helping funds rank more than Lyn. Oh, ok. Let's not factor in rapier then. Let's see, Eliwood can not kill knights, cavaliers, nomads (fast nomads > pansywood), loses hit, critical, and might. Lyn can't kill those people without the Mani Katti too so I don't know where you're going with this. _/-(o_0)_/- quote Eliwood the Slayer Two things. 1. Aion. Once you involve something with him, Kishuna leaves. When Matthew steals something, he tries to run with someone rescuing him, and HHM is too hard for someone to one round Aion. Even Marcus. And with that factored in, you can't get 20xx. But even if you DO manage to get the card... lol. I think you've got it mixed up. Kishuna will leave on the turn you attack him or turn 13 (Whichever comes first). You can even kill Aion and still have time to deal with Kishuna. And Aion, has lyk, only 50 dodge (due to the throne) and practically no AS since he will have Bolting equipped most of the time. And even if you kill Kishuna before Aion (unlikely, but w/e) you can trick him to reequip Bolting by staying out of Thunder range. quote Eliwood the Slayer 2. Legault and Merlinus. Hector hard mode is not easy. With limited people, and needed use of the three lords, you're not gonna want someone to protect Merlinus, as he/she is gonna get killed from overkill of pegasus knights. EVEN if you get Legault and steal the card, Merlinus is probably dead from the pegasus knights. Legault is not going to get only killing edge. He's gonna have to get others, if he wants to balance out the team and not be biased against people who's names are not Eliwood. So, very limited killing edges. Then, with multiple sword users (Lyn, Raven, Guy, cavaliers, etc), that's even less killers you can get. So, I'd 1 killing edge for Eliwood. You're a tactician. You're supposed to do what is best for your group. And what's best is getting Legault to steal that Member Card. You're losing 6000G and access to h4x weapons early in the game. And why are you not leaving people to take care of Merlinus? If enemy Peg Knights are getting close to him, your units are getting training, are they not? Here's the situation as I see it: 1. Legault is recruited. 2. Legault steals the Member Card. 3. Legault gets the Silver Card from an ally. 4. Legault visits the Secret Shop. 5. Legault spends your army's Gold on Killers and sends them to Supply. The only limitation Legault has on the number of weapons he can buy is the amount of Gold you have. quote Eliwood the Slayer quote C Kent gives 2 Eva. B Kent gives 5. I just realized Kent's supports are better than Lyn's. Don't give me that shit about how he wants Sain, if Eliwood gets your preferred, Lyn gets mine. lol. By the time Lyn gets B Kent, she could've gotten A Florina. You're giving up 1 POW, 10 Hit, and 10 Crt for 5 Eva and 3 CEva for 27 turns. You're giving up large offense boosts just for 5 Eva and 3 CEva. I want you to think about that and see whether A Kent B Florina is a good choice for Lyn. quote Eliwood the Slayer So, 7 avoid, 17 hit, and 17 critical. Compared to 0 hit, 0 critical, and 25 avoid, it's pretty evened out. And don't bring up "critical is unreliable". Mana katti/killing edge brings up Lyn's critical greatly, and is going to deal out more damage with it. Lyn's Crt rate is lower with your Kent support. decied on 1 plzkthanx. quote Eliwood the Slayer 20 speed and 15 luck. A Kent's 7, and that's a 62. Oh well, still better. She averages 19.3 Spd. And last time I checked, 0.3 isn't rounded off to 1. That's 60 Eva and she's still losing out to Eliwood even with your A Kent support. quote Eliwood the Slayer Btw, Mani Katti >>> Iron sword, so that's helping out Lyn with what, 3 more might? So? Lyn's supports still don't let her outdamage Eliwood. -------------------
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