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Eliwood the Slayer Neolithic total posts: 6646 since: Jul 2006	Nov 14, 07 at 5:06am re: General On-Topic Discussion FE OLDIES UNITE!
	quote Lyn can't kill those people without the Mani Katti too so I don't know where you're going with this. _/-(o_0)_/- That's why Lyn uses it. >.> If you want Eliwood to save funds, then he's not using his rapier. He's using an iron sword. Lyn kills, Eliwood doesn't. quote lol. I think you've got it mixed up. Kishuna will leave on the turn you attack him or turn 13 (Whichever comes first). You can even kill Aion and still have time to deal with Kishuna. And Aion, has lyk, only 50 dodge (due to the throne) and practically no AS since he will have Bolting equipped most of the time. And even if you kill Kishuna before Aion (unlikely, but w/e) you can trick him to reequip Bolting by staying out of Thunder range. There is like 2% chance of killing Aion then Kishuna. You're units are right now crap, as most of them aren't even promoted. Then there goes around 300 experience points, and over 10000 gold. Too bad for fund rankings, we can't get 20xx. quote You're a tactician. You're supposed to do what is best for your group. And what's best is getting Legault to steal that Member Card. You're losing 6000G and access to h4x weapons early in the game. And why are you not leaving people to take care of Merlinus? If enemy Peg Knights are getting close to him, your units are getting training, are they not? Here's the situation as I see it: 1. Legault is recruited. 2. Legault steals the Member Card. 3. Legault gets the Silver Card from an ally. 4. Legault visits the Secret Shop. 5. Legault spends your army's Gold on Killers and sends them to Supply. The only limitation Legault has on the number of weapons he can buy is the amount of Gold you have. They may be training, but they can't stand the stable damage of the slims, and the strong damage of steel. One unit alone can not stand that. And your attacking force is losing strength, since you need to protect Merlinus. Good luck struggling to recruit Legault. Good luck getting the thief without killing Legault. Okay. Okay. Merlinus is pretty much dead, and you have limited spaces. quote lol. By the time Lyn gets B Kent, she could've gotten A Florina. You're giving up 1 POW, 10 Hit, and 10 Crt for 5 Eva and 3 CEva for 27 turns. You're giving up large offense boosts just for 5 Eva and 3 CEva. I want you to think about that and see whether A Kent B Florina is a good choice for Lyn. What are you taling about? You get 5 attack with A Kent/B Florina. You get 17 crit with A Kent/B Florina. You get 7 eva from that. How is that giving up a large offense boost for 5 evasion? quote Lyn's Crt rate is lower with your Kent support. decied on 1 plzkthanx. I'd gladly give up 3 critical for 3 evasion and good hit. quote She averages 19.3 Spd. And last time I checked, 0.3 isn't rounded off to 1. That's 60 Eva and she's still losing out to Eliwood even with your A Kent support. Well then, Serenes Forest is lying, and he/she is not. Lyn has 60%. Serenes gives Lyn .6 every time. While your rpgdl by chapter 16 gives Lyn .5, then eventually .2. Hahahano. quote So? Lyn's supports still don't let her outdamage Eliwood. By your logic, 5 might boost=/=5 might boost. >.> Oh yeah, Eliwood only gets 3 attack until Harken arrives. Boohoo for Eliwood. Lyn has 12 str at 20. Eliwood has 14 str at 20. 12+8 Mani Katti+5 Supports = 25 attack. 14+5 Iron Sword+3 supports = 22 attack. Now, you can give Eliwood a steel sword, but Lyn still wins by 1 point, and Eliwood's not doubling. I also brought up critical chances, and love how you did not counter how Lyn does more damage with criticals. 40/50 critical chance > you.
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GhostMember Jacket! :3 Hooked on Neo wiki staff fireemblem total posts: 4350 since: Oct 2006	Nov 14, 07 at 6:55am re: General On-Topic Discussion FE OLDIES UNITE!
	quote Eliwood the Slayer quote Lyn can't kill those people without the Mani Katti too so I don't know where you're going with this. _/-(o_0)_/- That's why Lyn uses it. >.> If you want Eliwood to save funds, then he's not using his rapier. He's using an iron sword. Lyn kills, Eliwood doesn't. No, he helps funds when he arrives. He still uses it, but he still helps funds as long as the Rapier is not broken. It's like saying that Louise helps funds with her Silver Gem and Silver Bow. She still uses the Silver Bow, but it doesn't change the fact that it boosts your funds rank. quote Eliwood the Slayer There is like 2% chance of killing Aion then Kishuna. You're units are right now crap, as most of them aren't even promoted. I don't know where you're getting these absurd figures. You attack Aion first because he's a sitting duck and you want EXP. If you attack Kishuna and if Kishuna leaves or dies, Aion's raping you with Bolting. It's just plain stupid to attack Kishuna first. quote Eliwood the Slayer Then there goes around 300 experience points, and over 10000 gold. Too bad for fund rankings, we can't get 20xx. lol wut? You can still kill Kishuna after killing Aion so I don't see your point. quote You're a tactician. You're supposed to do what is best for your group. And what's best is getting Legault to steal that Member Card. You're losing 6000G and access to h4x weapons early in the game. And why are you not leaving people to take care of Merlinus? If enemy Peg Knights are getting close to him, your units are getting training, are they not? Here's the situation as I see it: 1. Legault is recruited. 2. Legault steals the Member Card. 3. Legault gets the Silver Card from an ally. 4. Legault visits the Secret Shop. 5. Legault spends your army's Gold on Killers and sends them to Supply. The only limitation Legault has on the number of weapons he can buy is the amount of Gold you have. quote Eliwood the Slayer They may be training, but they can't stand the stable damage of the slims, and the strong damage of steel. One unit alone can not stand that. And your attacking force is losing strength, since you need to protect Merlinus. lol. That only works if you stick Bartre, Canas, or some other crappy unit/magic user. If you put someone like, say, Florina, she easily trounces the Peg knights and even if she takes damage, she could always use a Vulnerary or take one from storage. quote Eliwood the Slayer Good luck struggling to recruit Legault. Good luck getting the thief without killing Legault. Okay. Okay. Merlinus is pretty much dead, and you have limited spaces. Okay, your logic pretty much sucks. You use Kent/Sain/Lowen/Marcus to get your Lords to the door in front of Darin quickly. HHMLegault >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any generic unpromoted enemy at that point. He even deals decent damage to Knights since he comes with a Steel Sword. And if Merlinus died it's your own fault. It's quite easy to keep him alive if you assign a guard. >.> quote Eliwood the Slayer quote lol. By the time Lyn gets B Kent, she could've gotten A Florina. You're giving up 1 POW, 10 Hit, and 10 Crt for 5 Eva and 3 CEva for 27 turns. You're giving up large offense boosts just for 5 Eva and 3 CEva. I want you to think about that and see whether A Kent B Florina is a good choice for Lyn. What are you taling about? You get 5 attack with A Kent/B Florina. You get 17 crit with A Kent/B Florina. You get 7 eva from that. How is that giving up a large offense boost for 5 evasion? You're going longer without the offense boost. If you chose to go with A Kent, Lyn'd be giving up A Florina which could've happened 27 turns ago and she'd get +1 POW, +10 Hit, and +10 Crt compared to B Kent's boosts for those 27 turns. quote Eliwood the Slayer I'd gladly give up 3 critical for 3 evasion and good hit. You mean 1 POW, 10 Hit, and 10 Crt. quote Eliwood the Slayer Well then, Serenes Forest is lying, and he/she is not. Lyn has 60%. Serenes gives Lyn .6 every time. No, Serenes does not give averages. It gives estimates which do not factor caps. Use RPGDL for FE stats. They are far more accurate. quote Eliwood the Slayer While your rpgdl by chapter 16 gives Lyn .5, then eventually .2. Hahahano. lolnub. Learn the concept of averages and come back later. quote Eliwood the Slayer By your logic, 5 might boost=/=5 might boost. >.> Oh yeah, Eliwood only gets 3 attack until Harken arrives. Boohoo for Eliwood. Lyn has 12 str at 20. Eliwood has 14 str at 20. 12+8 Mani Katti+5 Supports = 25 attack. 14+5 Iron Sword+3 supports = 22 attack. Now, you can give Eliwood a steel sword, but Lyn still wins by 1 point, and Eliwood's not doubling. I also brought up critical chances, and love how you did not counter how Lyn does more damage with criticals. 40/50 critical chance > you. lol thanks for deciding to calculate things, but your argument is void as Eliwood is using a Killing Edge not an Iron sword or Steel Sword. Lyn w/ Mani Katti has only about 10 more Crt than Eliwood w/ Killing Edge btw. -------------------
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Eliwood the Slayer Neolithic total posts: 6646 since: Jul 2006	Nov 15, 07 at 1:08am re: General On-Topic Discussion FE OLDIES UNITE!
	You really have no life. How the hell can you keep this up? >.> Calling a moderator/worthy person of being a moderator a nub = much much disrespect. Shut the hell up and Lyn is better. Deal with it.
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GhostMember Jacket! :3 Hooked on Neo wiki staff fireemblem total posts: 4350 since: Oct 2006	Nov 15, 07 at 1:53am re: General On-Topic Discussion [Where the big boys come to play]
	quote Eliwood the Slayer You really have no life. How the hell can you keep this up? >.> Well, considering that these kind of debate posts take only 10 minutes to type up, it's not that hard to continue. quote Eliwood the Slayer Calling a moderator/worthy person of being a moderator a nub = much much disrespect. Oh grow up, EtS. Nobody cares. B\| quote Eliwood the Slayer Shut the hell up and Lyn is better. Deal with it. lol @ mod resorting to tell people to "Shut the hell up" when he's losing in a debate. Seriously, EtS. Grow up. More people'll respect you if you do. -------------------
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Eliwood the Slayer Neolithic total posts: 6646 since: Jul 2006	Nov 15, 07 at 2:17am re: General On-Topic Discussion FE OLDIES UNITE!
	I'm not talking about just this debate. I'm talking about every single *ucking one. I care. And one person =/= nobody. Gtfo. I can finish the debate, but I'm not going to bother. You and I are going to continue what we said liek 15 times. That's what happens in almost all debates. Sorry, I can grow up only so fast. The lord's rules state that each person will grow up in time.
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GhostMember Jacket! :3 Hooked on Neo wiki staff fireemblem total posts: 4350 since: Oct 2006	Nov 15, 07 at 3:55am re: General On-Topic Discussion FE OLDIES UNITE!
	quote Eliwood the Slayer I'm not talking about just this debate. I'm talking about every single *ucking one. I care. And one person =/= nobody. Gtfo. I can finish the debate, but I'm not going to bother. You and I are going to continue what we said liek 15 times. That's what happens in almost all debates. Sorry, I can grow up only so fast. The lord's rules state that each person will grow up in time. Wow, a mod trying to censor-bypass. Gtfo isn't censored, btw. And this debate is actually progressing. If you compare this page with the posts at the previous page, you can see that we've moved on to a different argument. >.> And w/e. I don't remember having such a short fuse when I was your age. [/old fogey] -------------------
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Eliwood the Slayer Neolithic total posts: 6646 since: Jul 2006	Nov 15, 07 at 5:10am re: General On-Topic Discussion FE OLDIES UNITE!
	Last time I tried spelling out gtfo, it censored to to bleep. And guess what? I don't give a shit if you think I'm irrisponsible, and trying to censor crap. Well maybe I will continue it. But not right now. Well, you're not me, and I'm not you. Stop comparing me to you, when you don't even know me.
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MastaHazuki Let me be the fire in your eyes Hooked on Neo total posts: 4249 since: Feb 2003	Nov 15, 07 at 11:09am re: General On-Topic Discussion [Where the big boys come to play]
	Alright ladies, that's enough. I'm going to break this up with pictures of myself. ye-ah (trying to do Dieck's pose) This message was edited by mastahazuki on Nov 15 2007. ------------------- "Death's gotta be easy, 'cause life is hard."
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The Deathwind I got a faceli- OH DEAR GOD. Neolithic total posts: 6395 since: Jun 2006	Nov 15, 07 at 11:17am re: General On-Topic Discussion FE OLDIES UNITE!
	quote Eliwood the Slayer You really have no life. How the hell can you keep this up? >.> Calling a moderator/worthy person of being a moderator a nub = much much disrespect. Shut the hell up and Lyn is better. Deal with it. lulz twelvie throws e-tantrums or as close as he gets lulz </Crap grammar> ------------------- If you make something idiot-proof, someone will just make a better idiot.
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Blaster Sarge Better to know then to dream... s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1604 since: Feb 2006	Nov 15, 07 at 11:26am re: General On-Topic Discussion FE OLDIES UNITE!
	inconspicuous entrance Hm? EtS and GM fighting? I don't remember GM ever fighting with anyone before... Very peculiar. ------------------- quote Deathwind fapfapfap
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tomato13187 NEVER FORGET 2/5 Neoholic since: Dec 2004	Nov 15, 07 at 12:23pm re: General On-Topic Discussion FE OLDIES UNITE!
	Bro, you need to shave. Since when is that a Dieck pose though? Bah, arguing. Everyone knows that I win at everything. I mean, I still haven't beaten FE9 yet. I must be the winner! =D Not to mention, unorganized debating really ends up going into circles, especially when both sides are too stubborn to reason. We are not apes. We are Neoseeekers. Salutes Ends tiny rant ------------------- [/size]
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MastaHazuki Let me be the fire in your eyes Hooked on Neo total posts: 4249 since: Feb 2003	Nov 15, 07 at 12:38pm re: General On-Topic Discussion FE OLDIES UNITE!
	Dieck looks off to the side, most fe mugs are with a centered face. Asians(half azn) grow facial hair slower, so I'm not really into the habit of shaving... ------------------- "Death's gotta be easy, 'cause life is hard."
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tomato13187 NEVER FORGET 2/5 Neoholic since: Dec 2004	Nov 15, 07 at 1:00pm re: General On-Topic Discussion FE OLDIES UNITE!
	You look like an asian version of 'The Rock'. I have to shave every other day. It gets annoying. :/ ------------------- [/size]
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MastaHazuki Let me be the fire in your eyes Hooked on Neo total posts: 4249 since: Feb 2003	Nov 15, 07 at 5:17pm re: General On-Topic Discussion [Twelvie's E-Tantrum]
	Aren't you 13-14? 0_o... And thanks for the Rock comment. "Can you smell what the Masta is cooking?" ------------------- "Death's gotta be easy, 'cause life is hard."
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Ste Guitar Hooked on Neo total posts: 4772 since: Feb 2005	Nov 15, 07 at 5:25pm re: General On-Topic Discussion [Twelvie's E-Tantrum]
	Don't worry MastaHazuki, I'll take it from here. -------------------
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