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Topic: Raven- Merc or Myrm?
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Nov 25, 06 at 1:07am
Raven- Merc or Myrm?

This is something that's been bugging me recently. I was playing through the game again, and I got to Whereabouts Unknown. I noticed that Raven's bases were the sort of thing a Myrm would have.

HP/Str/Skl/Spd/Def/Res/Luck/Con
25/8/11/13/5/1/2/8

Averages:

HP: 58 Def: 16
Str: 25 MDf: 7
Skl: 27 Luc: 14
Spd: 26

Low Def and Res, fairly high Str, Skl and Spd. Kinda makes you wonder if Raven should be a Merc or a Myrm.



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Nov 25, 06 at 1:12am
re: Raven- Merc or Myrm?

Well... generally Swordmasters don't get that sort of hp...



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Nov 25, 06 at 1:14am
re: Raven- Merc or Myrm?

Only 2 higher than Joshua on average.



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Nov 25, 06 at 8:18am
re: Raven- Merc or Myrm?

quote The Deathwind
Only 2 higher than Joshua on average.
At 20/20, Raven has:
5.1 Str more than Rutger
6.1 Str more than Fil
3.2 Str more than FE6!Karel
5.7 Str more than Guy
4.9 Str more than FE7!Karel
6.8 Str more than Karla
3.0 Str more than Joshua
5.5 Str more than Marisa

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Although, I think it's better that we look at growths.

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Character HP   Str   Skl   Spd   Def   Res   Luk
Raven     85%  55%   40%   45%   25%   15%   35%
Rutger    80%  30%   60%   50%   20%   20%   30%
Fir       75%  25%   50%   55%   15%   20%   50%
Guy       75%  30%   50%   70%   15%   25%   45%
Karel     70%  30%   50%   50%   10%   15%   30%
Joshua    80%  35%   55%   55%   20%   20%   30%
Marisa    75%  30%   55%   60%   15%   25%   50%

(Doesn't have FE6!Karel and Karla for reasons that one's a Gato and the other freakin sucks)

Raven's Str growth is at least 20% higher than the rest and his Skl and Spd growth aren't higher than 50. And Skl and Spd are the main characteristics of a Myrmidon.

And Raven only gets very good Skl and Spd because of his awesome Skl and Spd base. (11 Skl and 13 Spd at level 5)

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Nov 25, 06 at 8:22am
re: Raven- Merc or Myrm?

He's like a Myrmidon with Strength and Defense but lacking Luck.

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Nov 25, 06 at 8:33am
re: Raven- Merc or Myrm?

quote GhostMember
quote The Deathwind
Only 2 higher than Joshua on average.
*Load of stats*

Look at post context plz. I was referring to HP.



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Nov 25, 06 at 8:35am
re: Raven- Merc or Myrm?

Respectfully, Heroes should be a decent paladin/ swordmaster cross with a lack of speed, with luck being a trivial matter that differs from character to character:

Hero

STR 25
SKL 30
SPD 26
DEF 25
RES 22

Paladin

STR 25
SKL 26
SPD 24
DEF 25
RES 25

Swordmaster

STR 24
SKL 29
SPD 30
DEF 22
RES 23

But Raven, as you can hopefully see, is immune to the Heroes typical lack of speed

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Nov 25, 06 at 11:36am
re: Raven- Merc or Myrm?

quote Hot Head
Respectfully, Heroes should be a decent paladin/ swordmaster cross with a lack of speed, with luck being a trivial matter that differs from character to character:

Hero

STR 25
SKL 30
SPD 26
DEF 25
RES 22

Paladin

STR 25
SKL 26
SPD 24
DEF 25
RES 25

Swordmaster

STR 24
SKL 29
SPD 30
DEF 22
RES 23

But Raven, as you can hopefully see, is immune to the Heroes typical lack of speed
Lack of speed? Most mercs are fast and strong, but have low defence. In FE6, Oujay or Deick had lots of speed, and Gerrick had OK speed.

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Nov 25, 06 at 2:52pm
re: Raven- Merc or Myrm?

Point taken about Luck.

Has anyne noticed that, as far as FE7 and FE8 go, Heroes are only fast because of their insane Speed base? Heck, Gerik's Sped growth is lower than Dozla's.

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Nov 25, 06 at 3:05pm
re: Raven- Merc or Myrm?

I agree, note that what I said above is what I believe to be the perfect build for a hero based on their caps

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Nov 25, 06 at 5:53pm
re: Raven- Merc or Myrm?

I'd bump Spd and Str up by 1 each. I think they were meant to be tankier Swordmasters, which is exactly what they accomplish with lower Spd and Skl but higher Str and Def since their Spd is still relatively strong, their Skl pwns (actually, I'd nuke it a bit, since 30 Skl is extremely pointless), and their Str is usable.

Of course, the Pally-SM mix you have is adequately reflected in the aforementioned caps.

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Nov 25, 06 at 7:20pm
re: Raven- Merc or Myrm?

Raven is basically a SM with lower speed and skill as a trade off for higher strength and HP. Def/Res are both fairly low. Basically, a Swordsmaster that needs more healing because he can't dodge as much

Gerik is one of the best units in FE8 if trained properly and if you ignore his late comings. He has high in basically everything, and is nearly as useful and powerful as Ephraim *dodges chair*



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Nov 25, 06 at 11:21pm
re: Raven- Merc or Myrm?

quote The Deathwind
quote GhostMember
quote The Deathwind
Only 2 higher than Joshua on average.
*Load of stats*

Look at post context plz. I was referring to HP.
xD Sorry about that.

I still think growths are a better way to compare class stereotypes, though.

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Nov 26, 06 at 7:06pm
re: Raven- Merc or Myrm?

SMs don't have Hp or Str like that. Raven's Con is better than most, as well.

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