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GhostMember Jacket! :3 Hooked on Neo wiki staff fireemblem total posts: 4350 since: Oct 2006	Apr 27, 07 at 7:18pm re: Fire Emblem 7 Tier Ranks
	quote MastaHazuki By 'usefulness', is that in any regard to the letter rank? Or just how useful they are in-game regardless? i.e. Dart is a good unit with a midgame entrance, but makes you drop 50,000 from funds rank to promote him. I believe Bartre should be higher, though. He gets a bad rap because of crappy lv. 1 bases but turns out competent. Dart never promotes in a ranked HHM run without severely ruining ranks. Therefore, low tier. Bartre is doubled by Chapter 12 GENERIC Brigands. He'd be higher if he wasn't so hard to train. quote tomato13187 Bartre should be a tad higher, and Renault should be Low instead of Bottom. Though Nils/Ninian, should be higher since they don't eat up any funds, except for the rings, though I don't think they sell for anything. They can grant a better unit another move, instead of a lesser unit, who might be more of a liability. Especially since the Twins have such great speed & luck, their dodge is amazing. I'll consider bumping up Bartre but Renault deserves that spot. He isn't more useful than any of the characters above him. Ninian/Nils is a waste of roster space. And Ninian's supports are a liability. Nils also takes up a space in the Final Chapter which could be used for someone else. quote tomato13187 I beg to differ. Priscilla being limited to staves for the early portion of the game decreases her worth greatly. HAHAHAHAHAHA-no. Healers are essential for every run and Priscilla is the best healer in Hector Hard Mode. Period. Priscilla's base Mgc stat > Serra's Lv 7 Mgc. Priscilla's 7 Mov > Serra's 5 Mov. Priscilla's Aid > Serra's Aid. That, and healers boost your EXP easier than attacking units do with Hard Mode EXP cut. quote Carnivorous Sheep I personally don't believe in Pent. Canas > Priscilla. Matthew > Legault Anima and Staves are cheaper, lighter, and more easily available than Dark. And Luna kills funds rank. Therefore, Priscilla > Canas. Matthew > Legault as an Assassin. Legault > Matthew as a Thief. And since using the Fell Contract murders funds, and Silencer is a crappy skill, HHM-boosted Legault > Matthew. quote fe7 8 9 10 r awsum Yes, because Rath deserves 2. Sword + Bows pwn, as proved by Lyn. Plus a horse! Rath is underlevelled and has mediocre stats all around. His only purpose is being a novelty of the only Nomad Trooper ingame. quote Erk The Mage I like rave and all, but he doesn't deserve to be #2. Come to think of it, I think his and Oswin's place should be switched. Thoughts?
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MastaHazuki Let me be the fire in your eyes Hooked on Neo total posts: 4249 since: Feb 2003	Apr 27, 07 at 7:55pm re: Fire Emblem 7 Tier Ranks
	quote Dart never promotes in a ranked HHM run without severely ruining ranks. Therefore, low tier. So to answer my question; yes, the 'usefulness' we are considering factors in their contribution to their letter rank. quote Bartre is doubled by Chapter 12 GENERIC Brigands. He'd be higher if he wasn't so hard to train. Bartre does well against the soldiers, knights and pegasus knights which are plentiful in about the first 5 chapters of the game. Soldiers and knights have poor to no AS to begin with, and peg knight and soldiers both have less con than iron lance weight. Of course, he has WTA against all of these units. That should get him to a better level and a competent stats before you get into hard hitting chapters. He'll grow along with the rest of your army from there. Only other thing I can think of right off the top of my head is that Athos should be lower on the list, since the fact that he's only there for one chapter outweighs his stats and abiliies. And Heath should be higher. I don't believe Geitz and Rath to be better than him. ------------------- "Death's gotta be easy, 'cause life is hard."
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Carnivorous Sheep 白人不懂 true seeker total posts: 1055 since: Jul 2006	Apr 27, 07 at 8:39pm re: Fire Emblem 7 Tier Ranks
	quote GhostMember Anima and Staves are cheaper, lighter, and more easily available than Dark. And Luna kills funds rank. Therefore, Priscilla > Canas. Priscilla is replaceable, Canas is not. Canas > Priscilla. ------------------- quote Grampa Simpson Make me proud!...Or at least less ashamed!
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GhostMember Jacket! :3 Hooked on Neo wiki staff fireemblem total posts: 4350 since: Oct 2006	Apr 27, 07 at 8:42pm re: Fire Emblem 7 Tier Ranks
	quote MastaHazuki quote Bartre is doubled by Chapter 12 GENERIC Brigands. He'd be higher if he wasn't so hard to train. Bartre does well against the soldiers, knights and pegasus knights which are plentiful in about the first 5 chapters of the game. Soldiers and knights have poor to no AS to begin with, and peg knight and soldiers both have less con than iron lance weight. Of course, he has WTA against all of these units. That should get him to a better level and a competent stats before you get into hard hitting chapters. He'll grow along with the rest of your army from there. Hm... true. I think he deserves to be bumped up a few spots. quote [orignator=MastaHazuki] Only other thing I can think of right off the top of my head is that Athos should be lower on the list, since the fact that he's only there for one chapter outweighs his stats and abiliies. And Heath should be higher. I don't believe Geitz and Rath to be better than him. Darn, I must've missed that while rearranging the list.
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DuKer NukeR Imagination rules the world Neoholic neopoints: 160 GameGrep pts: 123 since: Oct 2006	Apr 27, 07 at 10:30pm re: Fire Emblem 7 Tier Ranks
	Dart deserves top tier, as the only good axe user in the game how does he rank with the horrible prepromotes like Isadora? ------------------- End world hunger \| GB
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fe_fr33k3r Dominate submission happy total posts: 140 since: Apr 2007	Apr 27, 07 at 10:40pm re: Fire Emblem 7 Tier Ranks
	DN, youre right.Dorcas sucks and Bartre is a crappy low-speed EXP hog and is only useful to get Karla. Period. Dart rules and is also the only one in the game that can use the Ocean Seal, unless youre hacking.
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GhostMember Jacket! :3 Hooked on Neo wiki staff fireemblem total posts: 4350 since: Oct 2006	Apr 27, 07 at 11:26pm re: Fire Emblem 7 Tier Ranks
	quote Duker Nuker Dart deserves top tier, as the only good axe user in the game how does he rank with the horrible prepromotes like Isadora? Key words you should remember: Ranked Run. Ocean Seal is worth 50,000G. Promoting Dart means -50,000G to funds rank. Therefore, Dart does not promote in a ranked run rendering him useless after he hits 20/-. Oh yeah, Hector, Oswin, Raven, Harken, Hawkeye, Kent, Geitz and Lowen feel unloved.
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teh_swordmaster should know a lot about swords s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1750 since: Dec 2006	Apr 28, 07 at 5:44am re: Fire Emblem 7 Tier Ranks
	Pent and Marcus are way overrated. They are both pre-promotes who are very strong but get surpassed by other characters in the same class. Btw Batre is about even with Dorcas, but I prefer Batre. Similar growth rates... quote Dorcas HP 80% Str 60% Skill 40% Speed 20% Def 25% Res 15% Luck 40% Bartre HP 85% Str 50% Skill 35% Speed 40% Def 30% Res 25% Luck 30% Source and similar base stats... quote Dorcas Lvl 3 HP 30 Str 7 Skill 7 Speed 6 Def 3 Res 0 Luck 3 Con 14 Batre Lvl 2 HP 29 Str 9 Skill 5 Speed 3 Def 4 Res 0 Luck 4 Con 13 Source ------------------- "To beer, or not to beer" -Hamlet
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Blaster Sarge Better to know then to dream... s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1604 since: Feb 2006	Apr 28, 07 at 10:03am re: Fire Emblem 7 Tier Ranks
	I don't particularly favor the fact of my Dorcas being doubled by GENERALS in lategame. He gains 1 speed every 5 levels, leading to an 7-8 speed growth total ingame. That leads to about 14 speed at level 20/20 worrior, excluding premotional growths. Bartre doubles Dorcas in speed, giving him about 18-19 speed endgame, excluding premotional growths. He'd be doubling Dorcas in his sleep. ------------------- quote Deathwind fapfapfap
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DuKer NukeR Imagination rules the world Neoholic neopoints: 160 GameGrep pts: 123 since: Oct 2006	Apr 28, 07 at 4:46pm re: Fire Emblem 7 Tier Ranks
	Dorcas plain sucks anyway. ------------------- End world hunger \| GB
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Erk The Mage Micaiah for the last spot on Brawl!!! Still Seekin' total posts: 3546 since: Jan 2007	Apr 28, 07 at 7:24pm re: Fire Emblem 7 Tier Ranks
	quote Priscilla is replaceable, Canas is not. Canas > Priscilla. Priscilla is not replaceable! She is easier to level up and more usefull than Canas. You also get her before Canas. Without her, it would be much more difficult, you could do it without Canas just fine. ------------------- Credit to My Apocalypse. Go Micaiah!!!
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Fe78910Rawsum It's notspamming, it's randomdiscussio s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1638 since: Jan 2007	Apr 28, 07 at 7:40pm re: Fire Emblem 7 Tier Ranks
	I've never used Priscilla, and I find it quite easy. I tried without Canas once, and got completely owned by Chapter 23.
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Carnivorous Sheep 白人不懂 true seeker total posts: 1055 since: Jul 2006	Apr 28, 07 at 7:58pm re: Fire Emblem 7 Tier Ranks
	quote Erk The Mage Priscilla is not replaceable! She is easier to level up and more usefull than Canas. You also get her before Canas. Without her, it would be much more difficult, you could do it without Canas just fine. ROFL. A healer at level 3 is easier to level up than a level 8 Shaman? I lol'd. Serra is a healer, and all promoted magic units heal. There's definitely no shortage of Anima. Canas, on the other hand, is the only Dark user. ------------------- quote Grampa Simpson Make me proud!...Or at least less ashamed!
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GhostMember Jacket! :3 Hooked on Neo wiki staff fireemblem total posts: 4350 since: Oct 2006	Apr 28, 07 at 11:23pm re: Fire Emblem 7 Tier Ranks
	quote teh_swordmaster Pent and Marcus are way overrated. They are both pre-promotes who are very strong but get surpassed by other characters in the same class. Btw Batre is about even with Dorcas, but I prefer Batre. Similar growth rates... quote Dorcas HP 80% Str 60% Skill 40% Speed 20% Def 25% Res 15% Luck 40% Bartre HP 85% Str 50% Skill 35% Speed 40% Def 30% Res 25% Luck 30% Source and similar base stats... quote Dorcas Lvl 3 HP 30 Str 7 Skill 7 Speed 6 Def 3 Res 0 Luck 3 Con 14 Batre Lvl 2 HP 29 Str 9 Skill 5 Speed 3 Def 4 Res 0 Luck 4 Con 13 Source Hahahaha- no. I'd like to see you even try a ranked HHM run without Marcus before you go on further about him. And Pent is one of the best units in HHM. Unrapable bases, high weapon levels, instant A support, needs no training, and prepromoted, saving your funds rank about 10K. Erk requires training and a Guiding Ring and ends up worse than Pent except for Spd, which hardly matters as Pent doubles most generic enemies. Nino is useless in a ranked run. And Bartre is the best Warrior in the game. 'Nuff said. quote Carnivorous Sheep quote Erk The Mage Priscilla is not replaceable! She is easier to level up and more usefull than Canas. You also get her before Canas. Without her, it would be much more difficult, you could do it without Canas just fine. ROFL. A healer at level 3 is easier to level up than a level 8 Shaman? I lol'd. Serra is a healer, and all promoted magic units heal. There's definitely no shortage of Anima. Canas, on the other hand, is the only Dark user. Actually, yes. Priscilla's staves always give her the same EXP in all modes, while Canas' EXP gains are cut in HHM due to him being an attacking unit. Serra's magic is inferior to Priscilla's even with a level advantage. Priscilla's movement also makes her a better healer than Serra. And why not have another Anima user? Anima is the best magic type ingame, being the cheapest, lightest, and second strongest. Dark magic is arguably the worst magic type for a ranked run, as it is rare and costs so much.
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Carnivorous Sheep 白人不懂 true seeker total posts: 1055 since: Jul 2006	Apr 29, 07 at 1:40pm re: Fire Emblem 7 Tier Ranks
	And abusing staves is even more expensive than Dark Magic, I don't see your point. Dark Magic is still invaluable. Making the run without Canas will make things a lot harder on yourself. ------------------- quote Grampa Simpson Make me proud!...Or at least less ashamed!
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