You know, I just realized something... Pat Tillman wasn't the first NFL Player to die in a war.

If I'm not mistaken... I read in a Time Magazine, or Sports Illustrated that a former NFL player, an offensive tackle if I'm not mistaken, joined the service during Vietnam, where he was ultimately killed in a firebomb attack upon an outpost that was undersiege for a month before it finally fell. He and his best friend both died in the attack... I can't seem to remember his name... can anyone verify who this man was?

I remembered him when I was reading an article about how Pat Tillman, although a great man, doesn't deserve to be in the Hall of Fame, but that the Courage Award the NFL was making in his name.... I just can't remember his name... for some reason I think he played for either the Bronco's, Bills or the Oilers....

Yeah, he played for the Bills.

I cant remember his name, but Jack Kemp was on Total Access and brought him up, and his name was put up on the circle of names at Rich Stadium.

I cant remember his name right now for the life of me though.

quote The Stinger

Yeah, he played for the Bills.

I cant remember his name, but Jack Kemp was on Total Access and brought him up, and his name was put up on the circle of names at Rich Stadium.

I cant remember his name right now for the life of me though.

Anyways, I brought this up because of the push to put Tillman into the Hall of Fame, I mean, he wasn't even that oustanding of a player like all of the Hall of Famers are, he was a solid starter, but not Hall worthy. Just because he died fighting for this country after leaving a multi-million dollar deal in the NFL doesn't automatically make him Hall worthy. If the guy whose name I can't remember (and I feel really bad about this...) didn't get into the Hall for the same exact thing, then Pat Tillman shouldn't either. Although both men should get special recognition for their service to their country along with all of the other Pro Football players that served in the Armed Forces at Canton, in an Armed Forces display. (A display that noted NFL players who served in the armed forces). It could be put on the pre-Hall of Fame walk, it sort of spirals around different memorable parts of NFL history such as Red Grange to Jim Marshall... They could put the little display honoring Pat and the others at the top just before the Hall of Fame actually begins. If any of you have been to Canton, you'll know what I'm talking about....

The guys name is Bob Kalsu. He played guard for us and was part of the "Electric Company" who so beautifully blocked for O.J during his glory days.

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The guys name is Bob Kalsu. He played guard for us and was part of the "Electric Company" who so beautifully blocked for O.J during his glory days.

Yeah, I thought his name was Bob.

It's a shame that he's been forgotten....

Speaking of the Bills...

5 time probowl running back, Thurman Thomas for the Bills and the Dolphins was arrested for possesion of marijuana .....

On Eli's note I heard that his first day in the Giants training camp was horrible, having two snaps he couldn't handle, and an interception, along with a few other things not going in his favor....
I am going to point and laugh if Eli can't handle the NFL and put the Giants in a hole.

Looking at Yahoo sports I was reading about Tillman being honored at Sun Devil Stadium, they did mention the fact that he was the first NFL player to be KIA since the Vietnam Conflict, althought 19 NFL players were killed in World War II. It did have Bob Kalsu's name at the bottom of the page, but it did not give the names of the 19 other men.

Tillman was killed while leading his group of Rangers in to help free more U.S. soldiers pinned down by enemy gunfire.

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On Eli's note I heard that his first day in the Giants training camp was horrible, having two snaps he couldn't handle, and an interception, along with a few other things not going in his favor....

I think the Giants and Chargers are making a big mistake by rushing their rookie QB into action this year. Surely, the new rookie QBs will bring a lot of fans to the stadium, but the historically speaking, most rookies Qbs don't do well in their first year (Troy Aikman,Elway, and even his brother Peyton are the few to be named). Therefore, don't be surprised that Eli will be booed by Giant fans at his own stadium in this season.

Well, the latest rumors are that the Giants are interested in Kurt Warner, they invited him to a dinner, and he was at the Giants facility on Monday.

Perhaps Coughlin sees that Eli is going to need some time to adjust to the pro level, and wants to bring Warner in to start, for a cheaper price than what Kerry Collins wanted.

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Perhaps Coughlin sees that Eli is going to need some time to adjust to the pro level, and wants to bring Warner in to start, for a cheaper price than what Kerry Collins wanted.

what about the bachelor palmer? i sorta feel bad for that guy now. has a chance to become the starter then the giants go and draft a qb. haha

Stinger, does angelfire no longer work with neoseeker boards? the images dont show up on my computer anymore, just says an image hosted by angelfire or w/e. but ive seen other images that are linked from other sites still work.

And to make this so it has some importance....
I think kurt warner will make a good fit with teh giants. The giants are who i think pretty much destroyed kurt warners season last year by putting so much preasure on him and makin ghim fumble like 6 times. If you cant beat them, Join them i guess.

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Stinger, does angelfire no longer work with neoseeker boards? the images dont show up on my computer anymore, just says an image hosted by angelfire or w/e. but ive seen other images that are linked from other sites still work.

Im not sure what is up with the image linking here. Sometimes the images are offline for a while and come back due to a problem with the image hosting site, and other times, they wont work at all, due to a problem here at Neoseeker. I know that my Strike9 account doesnt work here at neoseeker anymore. I dont have an account with angelfire, so Im not sure what is up with that. Id say if it isnt working in a day or two, then you probably will have to link from another site.

plez correct me if im wrong, BUT didnt Priest HOlmes' dad also go to Iraq? i swear i remember seein it on SportsCenter. Priest wanted to buy him a nice beach house, but his dad sed no and went to the war. has ne1 else remember that, or did i imagine it?


Mj

quote mj_da_best

plez correct me if im wrong, BUT didnt Priest HOlmes' dad also go to Iraq? i swear i remember seein it on SportsCenter. Priest wanted to buy him a nice beach house, but his dad sed no and went to the war. has ne1 else remember that, or did i imagine it?


Mj

Yes, P.Holmes's dad was definitely serving for this country as a marine (I think)either at Iraq or Afganistan.

About P.Tillman. Even though, it's a heroic thing that P.Tillman did for all of us, however, I still don't think he should be in HOF just because he is a war hero. The NFL's HOF is for football athletics who basically have done something in the game of football or changed the way how we play the game, but not in the real life though.
However, I think Pat Tillman belongs to the army's Hall of Fames if there is such one in the military.

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quote K0nKuzh0n

Stinger, does angelfire no longer work with neoseeker boards? the images dont show up on my computer anymore, just says an image hosted by angelfire or w/e. but ive seen other images that are linked from other sites still work.

Im not sure what is up with the image linking here. Sometimes the images are offline for a while and come back due to a problem with the image hosting site, and other times, they wont work at all, due to a problem here at Neoseeker. I know that my Strike9 account doesnt work here at neoseeker anymore. I dont have an account with angelfire, so Im not sure what is up with that. Id say if it isnt working in a day or two, then you probably will have to link from another site.

Angelfire has eliminated external image linking all across the web. Only internal image linking is possible with Angelfire now, which is total bullshit if you ask me, because they don't even let their paying members link to external sites. Total crap.