The fax thing sounds like some joke for an off shore bank account.

I only wish this was in GTA IV so I could search for it again! Oh Idea popping in brain, I'll try the Epsilon Website in the GTA IV ingame internet!

quote GTA Legend

What is the number?

Dude you send me a link to a site and you don't check its contents lol?

http://www.myepsilon.org/

Its on the front page, under "Blueberry Mystery".

Its probably nothing, but at this point anything and everything is worth looking in to.

The number is 333 747 123.
It doesn't look like a phone number or a fax, it looks more like a code or something of that nature.

OR A PIN!!. (Now I'm thinking aloud and typing as it comes to me ) "For $100,000 all of the mysteries of the universe will be yours, including a PIN code to enter the Epsilon compound in the hills overlooking San Andreas".

On the 'official' Epsilon website created by Rcokstar, http://www.epsilonprogram.com/ and when you send a fax to 1-866-FUN-CULT you receive this information,


"AZUR $10,000 For the person that wants to be saved, but not that much, let us suggest the AZUR pinnacle- Raise your left hand and recite the words: "Take me to my father-father, brother-uncle. Kifflom." We'll do the rest. Because we all know, there is Kifflom and there is Kraft, and both be praised. Then send $10,000.

TOPAZ $25,000 TOPAZ level salvation is for the person who wants a better life, wants a cleaner soul, and is prepared to shop around for a great deal. The TOPAZ level Epsilonist receives all of the benefits of AQUAMARINE level participation, minus some of the conjugal rights, especially on Thursdays.

AQUAMARINE $79,000 It's a small price to pay for personal fulfillment. At the AQUAMARINE level, you gain all of the riches of your AZUR and TOPAZ brothers and sisters, however you will be given a special lapel pin and invited to more parties.

TURQUOISE $100,000 All the TURQUOISE level, complete enlightenment will occur. N It's not new age! The music is terrible and makes people into suburbanite eunuchs! We're looking for a new wage. For $100,000 all of the mysteries of the universe will be yours, including a PIN code to enter the Epsilon compound in the hills overlooking San Andreas. TURQUOISE members will take weekly meeting with the Honorable Cris Formage in a relaxed setting with everyone wearing only robes that are easily disrobed".

I know this information has been posted before but I just wanted you all to see so that we can tie things together without just posting links around the place.

quote Frazeb

I'll try the Epsilon Website in the GTA IV ingame internet!

I don't own GTA IV. Is there actually an in game Internet site for Epsilon?
I am aware of GTA IV having internet cafes and Internet access to in game website.
If there is an Epsilon site on GTA IV it could reveal some further clues about this Epsilon mystery in San Andreas. If you could check that out?

This message was edited by EuroLife_13 on Dec 18 2008.

Megan Fox is hot.

I saw that number but it can't be a phone number, it lacks one digit.

quote EuroLife_13

don't own GTA IV. Is there actually an in game Internet site for Epsilon?

Yes because there is an in-game internet browser.

quote Jersey Man11

Megan Fox is hot.

That was random.

quote GTA Legend

Yes because there is an in-game Internet browser.

Could you or perhaps someone else check this in-game GTA IV site? As it could hold some further clues or information.

quote GTA Legend

I saw that number but it can't be a phone number, it lacks one digit.

I don't think it looks like a phone number, more like a serial number. Do you have any idea of what the significance of this number is?

EDIT:


I have just stumbled across some overlooked, rare and possibly unseen information.
The originator of the famous "red truck with dent" line was by someone called 'jblend', there has been some speculation as to whether he was/is a Rockstar member of staff or had played a role in the creation of San Andreas, however 'jblend' has denied being a part of Rockstar.

The information is from an Italian website, the same website where the "4 AM Series" originated from, which in my opinion was complete and utter bullshit.

http://www.gta-expert.com/index.php/index.php?act=sa_ep_mail

However here are other statements said by this famous 'jblend' that for some reason hasn't had as much coverage or none at all compared to his INfamous "red truck with dent" riddle:

"To be a student of Kifflom, you need to speak with the trees. What do they tell you?"
- I cannot make nor head or tail of what this could possibly mean.

"I am filled with the spirit of Kifflom. Do you believe in Kifflom? I want to share the Truth of the Epsilon Program with the people of the world! would you like to accept Kifflom into your heart? Kifflom exists outside of space/time."
- Nor this either, if I'm really in a conspiracy-mode I would suggest perhaps "share The Truth of Epsilon" is CJ's friend 'The Truth'

"Kifflom is the one who whispers secrets to the trees. He's my father-father and father-brother. Praise to Kiff!"
- jblends constant mention of trees leads me to think of Red County and any green area, i.e MT. Chiliad, Back & Beyond.

"If you see the number one, then you're on your way. Only true believers of Kifflom (praise!!!) can enter the portals. So Keep listening to the trees and I am sure that you'll find your path. The brochures is not produced yet. Cris told me he was still making it. So be patient. Maybe one day he'll finish it."
- This one is one of the captions that, to me, has a lot interesting facts surrounding it. The most important to me is, "The brochures is not produced yet", we've been looking for that 'brochure' for years, only to now find that it doesn't exist yet.
I'm now thinking that this is a reference to GTA IV, stating that the brochure has not been made yet, this information was posted, indeed before GTA IV was created as well. and now I've been told that there's an in-game website on GTA IV for Epsilon, perhaps there is this famous brochure within GTA IV. The "number 1" and "trees" still doesn't make much sense to me.

"If you learn the true meaning of Kifflom (praise him!!!) then you can enter the golden portals of Puertas Amarillas Valley. Kifflom is your father-father and brother-uncle. But he does not know you. The great Kifflom has to know you in order to allow you into the Celestial Temple. If you are a serious student, I am certain you will find the way to Kifflom!"
- "If you learn the true meaning of Kifflom" makes me think the word itself, Kifflom, is perhaps an anagram or has a meaning to it.

"The UFO phenomenon is an easy frame for people to create. Often, when something is outside of our knowledge, we create a frame for comfort and convenience. Much like the frame of a work of art, it can alter how we experience the focal point. The frame of any picture can either add or detract from how we see the picture. The frame, if appropriate will increase our appreciation of the focal point. Kifflom is the focal point here. My only spiritual leader is Kifflom. I don't know all of his followers. There are more and more of them every day! So there may be some that I've never met! But one day, I hope I can meet them. Praise Kiff!!!"
- This could actually be a way of telling us that this whole Epsilon mystery doesn't exist, by stating the "UFO phenomenon is an frame for people to create" perhaps relating the belief of UFO's in real life to Epsilon.

"Why do you seek help from our loving Kifflom? (Praise!!!). The trees are everywhere. The trees sing of old stories in the night. The trees surround and abound in the valley of five mountains."
- Now this is intriguing and I'm sure this could set of a new adventure, what is/and are 'the valley of the five mountains' and what are their locations?

"There is a hill just west of Los Santos airport where there are loads of campers and hikers who talk about epsilon. There is an independent group of Kifflom followers near there. They're not connected with me, so I'm not sure. The young are usually more open to the words of Kifflom than the old. Have you ever heard the trees whisper? Listen to the trees and see if the young followers of Kiff will help you."
- Well we know what the location of 'the hill' is and we know who the hikers are and we've all been here before.
"Have you heard the tree's whisper?" perhaps the tree's are here? and the "independent group of kifflom followers", we could be looking for elderly looking people, since "the young are usually more open to the words" (the hikers that we've heard speak), maybe there are different peds that too speak of Kifflom, just maybe a bit more secretly than the others.

"I usually meet with other followers at the monthly book club. Last month we read "Life of Pi". It was great. I wonder if the tiger really existed at all? Why don't you follow the hikers and see where they're going! You never know where a new friend might lead you. The date of the earthquake was very important. Cris Formage and I learned a lot that day. It was the genesis of everything... the day he dented the truck. The day the trees opened up. Sometimes the giant sand worms, Shai-halud, will come up during the sandstorms. Did you see Shai-halud? Did he attack you? Walk with an arrhythmic step in the desert."
- The 'Monthly book club' and whoever 'Pi' is from 'Life of Pi' needs some looking into. "Follow the hikers and see where they're going" is pretty self-explanatory, I'm sure we've tried that however we should attempt again as this holds a lot of potential. The "date of the Earthquake" is maybe a reference to San Fierro, as the city has a fault line and earthquake ruins around the city, based on the real life earthquake that occured in San Francisco (San Fierro), and the date of that was April 18th 1906. What the significance is about that date is, I don't know, something else we should look into as the description is very detailed. (the earthquake could however also be the 'earthquake' which occured in San Andreas (fake) which was the reason why the bridges were closed to SF and LV at the start, the date of that earthquake though I am unaware of.)
Who or what 'Shai-halud' is, is beyond me, possibly another anagram. and 'Walk with an arrhythmic step in the desert' could possibly mean, and that's if I'm being completely conspirathist and all options open , if you remember to those who have played Goldeneye on N64, in Egyptian temple, to unlock the golden gun, you'd have to walk on the tiles in a certain order to unlock the golden gun. I'm not crazy lol, but we've come so far in this Epsilon mystery, that anything and everything is worth suggesting.

"In Mount Chiliad talk about clanking sounds in the trees. There is definitely something strange about the trees in that area. It's almost as if they weren't real. Real trees can speak to us. Fake ones cannot. Unless they're those cell phone towers disguised as trees. Then they can talk to us. But only if we own a cell phone and have paid the bills on time. There are a lot of rock formations in the San Andreas area that are the direct result of earthquake activity."
- The first few lines about Mt. Chiliad could actually be stating that the mystery DOES NOT lie in/near Mt. Chiliad. 'It's almost as if they weren't real' and 'Fake ones cannot', possibly meaning the mystery doesn't lie here. OR on the flip side, it could be hinting us in the direction of Mt. Chiliad by saying 'There is definitely something strange about the trees in that area'.
"There are a lot of rock formations in the San Andreas area that are the direct result of earthquake activity", this is very interesting and a large clue here, we should definitely look into this.

"The MEMORIAL is for the earthquake. I promise; if you really listen, the trees will speak to you. The people of Mt. Chiliad may speak of them, also."
- Where/what is the 'Memorial'? Possibly a statue of some kind? I'm assuming its somewhere in San Fierro as that's the apparent location of the earthquake. Also the people of Mt. Chiliad may give clues, "The people of Mt. Chiliad may speak of them, also".

"I have been a believer in Kiff since I found the One True Path on Oct. 17th, the year of the big 'quake. I do not work for r*. I am not "messing" with anything. I am just trying to guide people along the Path. The worms come when you walk on the sand with a regular, rhythmic pattern. If you walk arrhythmically, they will not sense you. (They're very sensitive to vibration). That's when it all started. Cris and I had the accident. It's important because that's when Cris and I first understood Kiff. The trees whisper to those who are patient and willing to listen. It's not a process you can rush. It just *happens*. If you open yourself up to the experience, it may happen to you!"
- This is a very intriguing statement and definitely needs looking into. Oct 17th doesn't ring any bells to me, all I can think of is that GTA San Andreas was released on 28th Oct. The 'year of the big quake' is 1906, as I stated before, however I'm starting to think this talked about 'earthquake' isn't the one I mentioned before in 1906 (real life), I'm thinking its the fictional earthquake that happened in San Andreas causing the bridges to be closed, thus not allowing us into other cities early in the game, however the date of this quake is unknown. Maybe 1906 is a code. "The worms come when you walk on the sand with a regular, rhythmic pattern. If you walk arrhythmically, they will not sense you. (They're very sensitive to vibration)", again making me think of Goldeneye 007 .
And I still don't know what the damn 'tree's are supposed to be.

"Our energy lives on during the Beyond Time. Father-Father, Brother-Uncle Kifflom looks after us even in death. The followers of Kiff prefer to be buried, although a handful have expressed a preference for cremation."
- Try checking out the graveyards in further detail and perhaps any place to do with fire or where someone could be cremated, if your feeling really wacky, "BEYOND Time" could mean 'Back & Beyond', our famous Glendale spawn point.

"August 28th has no significance. But Oct. 17, 1989 does. (And not because of the World Series!). Everybody in San Andreas will tell you. That's when it happened. It's when Chris first met Kraff. It's also the date the trees danced. And everybody (like me) who lived on Page Mill Road knew that it would never be the same. San Andreas would never be the same. Neither would I. Oh, and since you asked... that's the day my red truck got a dent."
- "August 28th has no significance", Oh crap . (I should really have read each through before writing my comments, as I'm going one by one), well anyway at least that has answered that question, and perhaps answered the question of the unknown date for the fictional earthquake that happened in San Andreas could now be Oct 17 1989.
"It's also the date the trees danced. And everybody (like me) who lived on Page Mill Road knew that it would never be the same", where is Page Mill Road? perhaps another anagram?


I really think we should look into the date Oct 17 1989, find the true meaning of 'the trees' and determine what is the mystery behind walking in the desert in 'regular, rhythmic pattern'.

This message was edited by EuroLife_13 on Dec 22 2008.

Good work!
At this rate the Epsilon mith will live on fore at least a decade, even when GTA IX will be old.

P.S: Go to Bayside, there are 2 inaccessible phone booths there, which have nr. 1's on them. Maybe you/CJ can enter them under the right conditions.

Nice find dude, I'll be sure to check that out tonight.

Perhaps the phone booth is the portal?

"If you see the number one, then you're on your way. Only true believers of Kifflom (praise!!!) can enter the portals"

Kifflom, brother-uncle!

Sorry if it is memberating but you don't have anything on-topic to post, then don't post at all.

Anyway, the Epsilon has been proven fake.

Last edited by: Brazillian23 on 22nd December 08, 6:10pm

quote Brazillian23

Anyway, the Epsilon has been proven fake.

Rockstar proved Bigfoot to be fake in San Andreas, which is why the rumour has stopped. Where has it been officially proven that Epsilon is fake? Apart from your own assumption.

Dude nice find! Where did you get all this info??

All those quotes definitely need some looking into.

I restarted the game to see if I could find any new info regarding myths specially Epsilon.

aren't there hills all around san andreas

I have just made a VERY unusual and interesting discovery, though it may be regarded by some as a coincidence, I think this is very VERY strange and too much to be a coincidence and definatly needs some further looking in to.

I entered on Google maps, simply "Page Mill Road USA"

(I got this name from jblends post "It's also the date the trees danced. And everybody (like me) who lived on Page Mill Road knew that it would never be the same. San Andreas would never be the same. Neither would I. Oh, and since you asked... that's the day my red truck got a dent."

After entering simply "Page Mill Road USA" in google maps, I was directed to only ONE location, which to me seemed a bit unusual as there were no other address recommendations.

Now things get very very strange. Page Mill Road, is in San Francisco (San Fierro), after zooming into Page Mill Roads exact location and toggling on 'satellite', you see a Country Club and a Golf Course, the same as you would in San Fierro .

Very very strange. I know that this can be classed as nothing more than a coincidence, but if so, this is one big weird coincidence.

Try it all yourself.

Yeah, I saw that in the maps.

I got something:

A caller to Area 53(WCTR) from BlueBerry says; "Kifflom," the host for the talk show agrees, then he continues talking about Epsilon, another caller is on and says; I picked up religious pamphlets but never understood them, the host says; try reading between the lines and you will know everything about the aliens.

I got another "BIG" clue, but I will make a thread, because it's sort of a discovery.

^>>Edit


I made a rather odd discovery while doing the missions "Interdiction" for Mike Toreno, the first time I attempted the mission I failed but the second time around, I shot down the Helicopters and went on my way down the canyon(desert, where the big jump is located) to get the contraband from the Helicopter, as I went down with my Sanchez I spotted a RV coming my way, it made a stop at the end of the path(to me this was weird because I never seen any pedestrian vehicles in the mountain. So instead of going for the contraband, I stopped, got off my bike and looked at the RV for a while, nothing happened, I shot it, nothing happened, I made the peds get out by shooting it until it was about to explode, they got out and just stood still doing nothing. One of the peds was a Father(priest) which is really weird because I never seen one on the streets, the whore was whatever's I seen many of them. I shit the whore in the head and beat the priest to death but nothing happened so I continued on my mission.

The part that sucks is that I went back to see if they were there and they weren't. By bad luck I wasn't paying any attention to the time or day, I just know that there was daylight. And I was going to save the game to go back to the exact same time and day but I overwritten the data. If anyone wants to go check it out feel free to do so, I'm sure it has nothing to do with the mission Interdicition because it didn't happen the first time. I'm sure the day is not a Tuesday or Wednesday because I went there those days and didn't find smack.



As I was doing this I remembered the quote; "Take me to my Father-Father Brother-Uncle." and all the other Father related quotes. Could this be a vital clue to cracking Epsilon?? Or just a Easter Egg/Refernce/Spoof? If I would have done something differently would the Father took me to the Red Truck with the dent on the right fender?

This message was edited by GTA Legend on Dec 23 2008.