quote Khaoki

quote Censored King

lol thank god for no bailout plan let those "rich" people bail themselves out.

Clearly you do not know the repercussions of this situation for the population at large...

actually I know enough about it to be able to form a opinion

We need to help out in some way but we certainly don't need to spend 700 billion dollars. It's just an excessive amount of money. Lower how much we give away and give penalites to these companies for creating this situation.

I don't like how companies have a set amount of money to give away to the current CEO head if he quits the job or the board wants him out. Whatever happened to trying to do your best and if you suck, you get replaced no if ands or buts?

Congress spends our money like it's not a big deal at all. I want more congressmen that represent my views damnit. / Although I am quite impressed that this bill just didn't pass for the hell of it. It's kind of cool to see congress stop and think about their actions for once.

And why the hell is congress giving bailout money to Acorn?

This message was edited by Stem Cell on Sep 30 2008.

It isn't as if the bill was going to release 700 billion all at once. Nor was the money ever intended to go into any CEO's pockets. Every penny would go into the economy to help expand credit and allow the banks to start lending money again.

To be honest it is in our best interests to pass the bail out. Or at least something similar. Yea so maybe I won't see a penny of it. But if it keeps the banks running and the stock market from collapsing then it is to my benefit. The last thing I want to see in my lifetime is anything close to another great depression. Which is exactly where some alarmist think things could go without some sort of plan. No matter how you look at it though there is no where to go but down.

quote Censored King

quote Khaoki

quote Censored King

lol thank god for no bailout plan let those "rich" people bail themselves out.

Clearly you do not know the repercussions of this situation for the population at large...

actually I know enough about it to be able to form a opinion

So you know that if the credit crisis would (and is) bringing down the banks and once the banks are gone businesses cannot get loans to expand, or even start up, which would increase unemployment all during a period of heightened inflation? The bailout isn't even going to the rich, as Koloth said. It's the government buying out credit and bad stocks and would later sell them once such isn't a problem, ergo getting the money back. It's an investment in the economy, not the rich.

This isn't class warfare, this is common sense.

I'm a little afraid Sarah Palin is gonna lose the debate badly, so I figured out how to make it pointless.

Imagine if she rode out on stage on one of her husband's snow mobiles. Then she pulled out an AK-47 and shot down two pinatas of Obama and Biden, and finally did a backflip off the snowmobile and landed right at the podium. This way, even if she got dominated in the debate, I doubt it would be talked about as much as the sheer awesomeness of what she just did.

Oh yeah, I should be a presidential advisor.

LOL, that's the only way she could look good.

Oh please. She'll do fine. This is her last chance to make herself and the McCain ticket look good. With a falling popularity, they need this, and she knows it. She's gonna do her homework and go the extra mile. Hopefully she has a god damn attitude to go along with it. Look a little tougher than usual.

God knows Biden is also on the brink of *bleep*in up.

It isn't a matter of needing or not needing it. It is that Biden is a stronger debater than she is. So long as Biden can avoid one of his usual gaffes it will likely be rather one sided. Unless Palin does better in this debate than she usually does in interviews.

I have a hard time believing she'll do well against Biden when she can't even look good in front of Charlie Gibson or Katie Couric.

It isn't her fault. McCain and his advisers have a campaign without issues versus an adversary that is all about the issues and solving problems. Palin did rather well. The entire ticket itself isn't ready for the Presidency. This is why all she had to fire were slogans on half of the questions.

1- McCain's health care plan is a joke. It would have been better if he would have not changed anything. Palin did her best to distract people from this. She still dodged this and other questions.

2- McCain's foreign policy is aggressive, and outdated, and in contradiction to all the military leaders advice. The biggest force for peace in our world has been the economic connections between the US and China. That has made them a mutually beneficial connection for resolving issues. Even Russia has interests in keeping Iran from gaining Nuclear weapons. A nuclear Iran is bad for them too, because countries in that region are unstable at best. Obama and Biden are the perfect men to work this into their diplomatic efforts.

McCain said he needed to get a group of DEMOCRACIES together to solve the issues. He specifically talked about his distaste for the 'K.G.& B.' Russian government.

He may be a wing bat of an old man, but I would have though he would have remembered that Russia and China have real armed forces. The wimps we have been fighting are nothing compared to those enemies. It is unlikely that they will respond to a threat of force in the same way smaller countries do. McCain is stupid enough to play chicken with them. I dare say our allies haven't signed off on a long war just to get that moron elected.

I wouldn't go quite THAT far, but you make a good case. Palin handled herself well I thought, but lost on the issues, Biden was debating, Palin was giving a stump speech. It's looking very good for Obama in the polls, I hear McCain is resorting to attacking Obama over Ayers since he's failing to win on the issues thus far.

The only reason anyone is going to vote for McCain is on the Judiciary issues. It is unlikely that any supreme court judge will step down of their own free will in the next 4 years, if McCain wins the nomination. The two most liberal judges are the oldest. Even if they do step down congress is likely to be democratic heavy. Getting a conservative in place of the more liberal judges will not be likely.

If Obama wins, it is likely the older liberal judges will step down and be replace by younger judges. They could be static judges for the next 50 years, considering modern medicine. If Obama wins with an all democratic congress, it is possible that they may choose to repeal the two term limit. I see him as a potential great success and that in combination with the extension of terms could mean another FDR type run. This in combination with tactics that LBJ used could give Obama more then the two picks he is likely to get.

The right to bear arms is just as important as freedom of speech. We are not free if we can't do either of those things. I didn't serve my country so they could take my rights away. I will be basing my senate choice on this issue alone.

quote GuardianGriffen

If Obama wins with an all democratic congress, it is possible that they may choose to repeal the two term limit.

If this is done then I'm leaving the country. That would be party power mongering at it's worst... I don't care how popular or how well the country is doing under a certain president is, term limits are there for good reasons.

He is young and if he does well he won't die off for some time. Having an experienced leader might be a good change. I shall not repeat this idea at work. My republican friends wouldn't sleep very well.

As for too much power. Bush is the power monger president that has gained too much. Obama wants to give the extended presidential powers back to the legislative branch. He is an expert on the subject of the constitution.

If I was in congress when Bush was throwing out his bullshit, I would vote against all his crap too. It is possible that Obama isn't as liberal as he appears to be. I am in no way betting on it, but he will have to be in order to make a long run. I am betting on his diplomacy and he has a great second string backup for that.

I don't think anyone would dare even try repealing the two term limit....