Okay! (Waves hands around) In the ende of the game, Ashelin-no Jak! This goes on him, allows Ashelin to kiss him. Now if you ask me that confused the crap out of me because from the first game we are taught that Jak likes Keira and Daxter wants attention. But to our surprise, Keira disowns him in the second game because of something that he could not help. "You're a monster and I don't want to support you anymore even though you were made one without your own consent!" And at the end of Jak two they're back together and go to kiss but of course Daxter screws them out of it!

What the heck? And then in the third game there is no interaction between them that involves a relationship besides Keira saying she's with Jak all the way. Maybe He let Ashelin kiss him because she supported him and had his back the whole time. Then, in Jak X, he finally kisses Keira which all of the fans were waiting for it. So who's he with? Does anybody else have an better theories? Girls? Boys? Counsolors? Because they confused me. I say they ruined it becuase Jak got involved with someone else which I'm not surprised considering the whole Jak and Daxter design team are men!!!

Hey, when you put it that way...He's my frickin' hero!

He gets away with going out with two girls at the same time (Both equally hot btw).

Although, it did confuse me, I'll give a less male opinion when I think about it some more.

Personally I don't approve because it's not fair to the other girl. If you're going to play marraige but then not for life then you follow the rules. One girl at one time. That's my blunt response, but seriously that plot twist made me mad.(Scoffs) I also think calling someone hot is disrespectful...if you like the way they look...what do you want? They-themselves or their body? That's basically who your saying is hot. Not them. Apparently Jak gets around with his heroics. I'm not reffering to you subaru, I'm just generally speaking. Pay no attention to me if you're bristling right now.

I wonder what got Ashelin interested in him anyways...oh. He saved the day and made her dream come true for peace and a better place. It's dissapointing for these kind of twists because its so monotonous, cliche, and unoriginal. The women always fall in love with the hero. Can we do something different for once? Or the hero has someone that they like. Not that that doesn't happen, but seriously. every time? Every game? Every movie? I'm not saying that love doesn't happen cause it does, but...can someone go through life with out being hellbent on falling in love with someone right off the bat?

Jak is not to blame. He had no interest all though he is responsible for not pulling away from Ashelin...boys. (Sighs in irritance)

DudE! You like never hear or see any female animators! What the hay? I've noticed that. Why is that.

Actually, you see a lot of female animators, just not a whole lot of them in games.

OK, the less male opinion, the entire fact that this happened=carelessness.

No plot twists, because that would have made sense.

Ashelin, imo, manipulated Jak and didn't love him. Ashelin asked, Jak seemed to do, no questions asked.

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Actually, you see a lot of female animators, just not a whole lot of them in games

Girl? Obvious
Black? Mildly surrprised.(No worries, most of my BFs are black)

How common are female JAD fans? I know very little girl gamers at all, let alone JAD fans.

I don't think very common. I had one other friend that was a girl, who liked the Jak and DAxter series also, but that was it. Any extensions and they were guys. I just got hooked on Jak and Daxter because of the gameplay. Free roaming enviorment. I really like that in a game. I hate being stuck to one freakin path going forward or back. Diffferent enviorment, unique characters and storylines. Just got hooked. I can't find any other girls I know who play PS2 like I do or who know about Jak and Daxter. I do not know what is wrong with the girls out there. (Shrugs)

Girls should play games.

Really, I mean it's better than chatrooms(Unless it's a games one)

Yes. Girls should play more games, they would surely find some that they like. I like Sly Cooper, Spyro series, JND series, and Ratchet and Clank. Notice how all of those series consist of male characters. So all of the characters I like are boys. I keep wondering how that happened. But nobody made a series I like or would approve of playing that consisted of female characters. There are some things that apply if you're a female character and you want my support. I also like the more cartoony games like all those up there. I just like those better. Lego Starwars is one of the best games ever! That and Dog's life. That game is fun. You literally get to do things that dogs do...and I mean everything. Pee, poop, the works. Anyway. I would also like to know how you posted over 1000 posts in the course of 2 months.

My PC?

I was involved in the revolution to try and make the FFX forum one of the most popular forums.

Actually, there are a lot of female lead characters.

Ayame; Tenchu
Lara(although she is a very looks-orientated lead)

And what exactly so you want to see in a female lead?

I want to see a girl or woman who knows who she is, what she is, why she is, and that knows how to act right. She's not showing off her body to men or wearing revealing clothing because the game designers are guys or that's what everybody wants. A female who saves herself from sex with every man known adam or who "Seducts" men to get what she wants or to get out of a life and death situation. That's not neccessary at all. There's no need to promise a guy sex or to stick your tongue down his throat because he's going to kill you or to distract him while you kick him in his family jewels and disarm him. Everybody acts like they've got to do that. They don't and because of that its cliche and boring and also its just not morally correct. I'm sure nobody is going to make a game like that anytime soon. Possibly never. My game would most likely be christian based. I would want the female to know she doesn't have to have a freakin love interest in every adventure she goes on. She wouldn't have one at all just because of the fact I'm so fed up with all the girls talking about how they like so and so and how she kissed him or he looked at her. I could care less.

Sorry about that, but that's what I want to see in a female character. Also one that isn't so dumb she sticks with a guy that beats her or treats her with the rank of concrete which people walk over. That's less than a stupid goat. Heh...and they wonder why we have an attitude? (Giggles and shrugs resolutely) I'm sure you see where I'm coming from?

But surely removing the romance would destroy any possibility of plot twist, love triangles, you know, the stuff that gives the plot-line a good follow-on.

Or are you talking about characters like Rayne and Lara?

Hm...you know it depends. You can still have an interesting adventure without romance. That's not what life's all about. In Lord of the Rings not every single character had a love interest, yet they still had an adventure full of surpises and fun. I'm not saying your saying that's what life's all about. I'm just saying the fact that some woman has been with more than one man and they "Know"(Which means they have had sexual intercourse of some type or saw eachother naked) eachother and then the men fight once they find out. That irritates me. The mention of a love triangle sounds disgusting. Why would a woman want to be with more than one guy? That's disgusting. Especially if he's with other girls. When it comes to private parts, you don't know where those other men or women have been. They can have a disease. My point is morals. Where are people's morals. People act like they can't make anything entertaining without adding in a perverted love plot.

Yes, I do mean someone like Rayne for instance, but her occupation could be something more edifying. But yeah, she's not got any interest in any guys at all in the series.

Morals seem to be a major issue with developers these days.

Heavenly sword:Awesome game, but had unecessary exposure levels.

FFX-2>:Rikku wore barely anything, Ashe's clothes have been in debate ever since release.

Travesty that.

Heh. I never did like the final fantasy games. One, they were not on my to do list I just wasn't interested, two, the women and female characters boobs couldn't get any more dodge-ball like contour and the girl couldn't freakin go airbone any higher with them either! Anything that comes from Japan that's female I will have nothing to do with. The japanese have a different veiw point about women, but to me as a woman its insulting all though if you grow up in that stuff you don't know any better, but that doesn't make it right.