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Apr 25, 09 at 10:11pm
Should I wait to code?

Thanks for your advice in the other thread. College finishes soon so that’s the best time to learn something new, in the summer. However I was thinking, should I learn it? Some people argue that teaching it to yourself can cause you to pick up bad habits and that it’s best to wait until you start learning it at University. So what do you think I should do? Also what do you think about the subject in general, should people wait or try getting a head start?


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Apr 25, 09 at 10:55pm
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Learning it yourself won't give you bad habits, as long as you get good books, follow good recommendations, and test your own code.
Personally, I started to code two years ago. Started doing it myself, and I have yet to go to University. If you are interested, you should definitely get a head start. In that way when you go the university, you won't have too much problems understanding some concepts.


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Apr 25, 09 at 11:41pm
re: Should I wait to code?

Cheers. I’ll probably buy a book instead of renting one. I’ll go for C++. I’ll wait till I have no work and I have plenty of free time, if I do it half hearted I’ll lose focus. Cheers.



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Apr 26, 09 at 1:17am
re: Should I wait to code?

Good selection for an starting programming language .



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re: Should I wait to code?

Some would argue that Python is a better starting language compared to C++ - easier to pick up. But then again, I haven't even looked at a Phyton code to back it up lol. I started with C++ myself.


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Apr 26, 09 at 10:30am
re: Should I wait to code?

C++ is one of the languages they teach me. So if I learn the basics and a bit more it puts me at an advantage, I don’t plan to master the language, just master the basics.



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Apr 27, 09 at 1:18pm
re: Should I wait to code?

    Get Sam's Teach Yourself C++ In 21 Days. It will teach you every basic there is, and is worth the $50.


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Apr 28, 09 at 3:49pm
re: Should I wait to code?

I would generally recommend starting with a scripting language like PHP, Perl or perhaps Python, though Python's syntax is less close to C/C++'s than PHP and Perl's. Those teach you basic programming concepts without having you worry about data types, memory management and code portability.
After that, you can start coding in C/C++, and you'll notice you already master a lot of the basic techniques and concepts.
However, you could just go for it, get a nice book, and start with C++/C if you're determined enough.


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Apr 28, 09 at 9:31pm
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quote Entropy
I would generally recommend starting with a scripting language like PHP, Perl or perhaps Python, though Python's syntax is less close to C/C++'s than PHP and Perl's. Those teach you basic programming concepts without having you worry about data types, memory management and code portability.
After that, you can start coding in C/C++, and you'll notice you already master a lot of the basic techniques and concepts.
However, you could just go for it, get a nice book, and start with C++/C if you're determined enough.
    I don't think he's going for web languages.
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Apr 29, 09 at 12:07pm
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quote Vermillion
Learning it yourself won't give you bad habits, as long as you get good books, follow good recommendations, and test your own code.
Personally, I started to code two years ago. Started doing it myself, and I have yet to go to University. If you are interested, you should definitely get a head start. In that way when you go the university, you won't have too much problems understanding some concepts.

Now that you've taught yourself have you got a job out of it? Or do you actually need the formal qualifications. Been meaning to teach myself for a while, I even have the "C++ for Dummies" book upstairs but I've never got round to it.
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Apr 29, 09 at 6:58pm
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quote overKill
    I don't think he's going for web languages.
PHP, Perl and Python are all perfectly fine scripting languages which can be used for webapplications but can also be used for quick scripts that don't require the power of a language like C.
A lot of exploits and other small scripts that just need a socket to send some data are often written in such a scripting language. I would mainly recommend them because they're easy to learn and can quickly be picked up, whilst still forcing the user to learn important programming mechanics, like loops, arrays, condition branches, switch/case and even things like sockets and file input/output. If you have absolutely no programming experience whatsoever, that can really help you out a lot, just so you can get used to some more general stuff and are more quickly able to tackle more advanced subjects. I personally noticed I could pick up C more quickly after learning PHP. Though I was interested in web development, otherwise I may have taken the plunge and went straight for C as well.
Not saying it's a must to get some experience through scripting languages, just saying it might help.


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Apr 30, 09 at 3:50am
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quote minimint
quote Vermillion
Learning it yourself won't give you bad habits, as long as you get good books, follow good recommendations, and test your own code.
Personally, I started to code two years ago. Started doing it myself, and I have yet to go to University. If you are interested, you should definitely get a head start. In that way when you go the university, you won't have too much problems understanding some concepts.

Now that you've taught yourself have you got a job out of it? Or do you actually need the formal qualifications. Been meaning to teach myself for a while, I even have the "C++ for Dummies" book upstairs but I've never got round to it.


I am just a high school student .


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Apr 30, 09 at 8:44am
re: Should I wait to code?

To get a job out of programming you'll need a good portfolio which can demonstrate your previous work. A degree can also helpful.

quote Entropy
quote overKill
    I don't think he's going for web languages.
PHP, Perl and Python are all perfectly fine scripting languages which can be used for webapplications but can also be used for quick scripts that don't require the power of a language like C.
A lot of exploits and other small scripts that just need a socket to send some data are often written in such a scripting language. I would mainly recommend them because they're easy to learn and can quickly be picked up, whilst still forcing the user to learn important programming mechanics, like loops, arrays, condition branches, switch/case and even things like sockets and file input/output. If you have absolutely no programming experience whatsoever, that can really help you out a lot, just so you can get used to some more general stuff and are more quickly able to tackle more advanced subjects. I personally noticed I could pick up C more quickly after learning PHP. Though I was interested in web development, otherwise I may have taken the plunge and went straight for C as well.
Not saying it's a must to get some experience through scripting languages, just saying it might help.
I agree with this. I was using PHP for about 18 months before I had to use Java at University, and knowing PHP definitely helped me grasp the basics. PHP is more closely related to C++ however, so it'd be even more useful in that instance.

Having said that, I was using PHP as I had some web projects anyway. Whether it would be worth going out of your way to learn PHP first just because you want to learn C++? Probably not.
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Apr 30, 09 at 7:49pm
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I also forgot to say, I agree with Entropy. I started with JavaScript, but just set up the basics on my head. Then I moved to PHP and it was easier to get it because of JS, but then I moved to C++. Not to mention I tried C++ before PHP and I found it a bit harder, but after I worked with PHP, I was able to understand it.


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May 01, 09 at 1:29am
re: Should I wait to code?

Just to throw this out there, I also started with Javascript. However, I didn't use it for web stuff, but in conjunction with the game maker Sphere. I didn't have to meddle with any of the DOM stuff, and learned the basics of programming. I'd say that was ideal for me though, as I thoroughly enjoy game dev.


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