First how do you think the Cold family would hold out and also what do you think Frieza's reaction would be to fighting a tiny girl.

Tell me how do you think the fight would go.

Android 18 one shots all of them.

She's much stronger then all of them.Their punches won't even faze her.Even if you put Meta Cooler in ,she still one shots all of them.

It's not even a fight, they wouldn't even last 5 seconds.

What America said.....


Although, with Meta Cooler it depends. If it's only one Meta Cooler and that's all, no problem, but billions of them would eventually take her. If you remember our discussion months back about Meta Coolers, I even said that 10 billion Meta Coolers could probably even take down SPC, much less 18... Every Meta Cooler that is destroyed, the others get stronger and correct any weaknesses.

18 could probably destroy a few million of them, but that's about it.

But Cell looses Ki she doesn't.

Yes she can, so can 17.... They have infinite stamina, not infinite ki.... Stamina =/= ki....

Infinite ki means they could power up to SSJ3 level if they wanted, but they clearly have a limit which is less than USSJ...

Infinite stamina just means they never get tired, but they do have a set limit of power they can generate.

In any case, it wouldn't matter, as eventually the Meta Coolers would gain a power that is stronger than her, most likely USSJ level of power....

Yeah stamina that's what i was talking about.

Meta Cooler would stop growing stronger if the Ghete star is destroyed though.

Yeah, that's a given.... And she very well could do so... But, everytime I discuss this issue, I leave the Ghetti Star being destroyed out of the discussion as that is obvious she would win that way, but against the actual army itself, no. She most likely wouldn't even think about it though, as Goku and Vegeta didn't even know that was the key until they were actually taken into the Ghetti Star...

Although, they may not have infinite ki, they can rebuild their ki I suppose, with their "Power batteries" recharging them and such, but that wouldn't change the fact that fighting 10 billion Coolers would be an ongoing battle, and even if she did get time to recharge, it wouldn't help her if they gained a power greater than her set limit.

Mish how strong do you think Cold is?

I'm starting to belive that he equals Freeza 100% at namek.

Who knows for sure, but I wouldn't place him that high... Probably around 3rd form Freeza, final form supressed Freeza (Before going to 50%) at best IMO... I always believed 100% Freeza on Namek >>>>> his father because Freeza stated he was the strongest being in the universe, and that would include his own father.... You could argue that when Freeza said that, Cold was not in AT's mind yet, but that doesn't matter really. AT did have Freeza mention his parents in the Freeza arc, so even though Cold was not specifically around in the Freeza Arc on Namek, he did mention his parents, and also said he was the strongest in the universe, so that would make him stronger than his father, regardless of when AT came up with the idea for Cold to come into the picture.... It was never contradicted... So I would place Cold below 100%, and even 50% Freeza....

For how strong as cold, I personally believe he's stronger than frieza. Frieza said he was the strongest, but most of it was just his ego. Unless he said "besides the demon king, Pui Pui." Pui and Demon King was stronger than Frieza...Why does everyone forget them and never consider Frieze ego? xD

For the thread, 18 with ease.

I'm sorry Dark, but that logic is just way off.... Freeza never even knew who Dabura or Pui Pui was, and they didn't even exist in AT's mind back then, and were never mentioned.... So how would he say that? >_> Obviously back when AT did the Freeza Arc, those two didn't even exist yet, nor did the Buu Arc.... So in the Freeza Arc, Freeza WAS the strongest in the universe at that time as far as AT was concerned.... Aside from SSJ Goku that is...

The difference here being that Freeza mentioned his parents, even though Cold was not specifically named or shown.... Dabura and Pui Pui were never mentioned period much less shown.... Same applies to Cell and the androids....

And we are all aware of Freezas ego, but there is a difference between ego and known facts. Obviously if Freezas father was stronger than him he wouldnt have said he was the strongest, he would have said "Aside from my father. I am the strongest", and I say that because Freeza KNOWS how strong his parents are... It is not a blind arrogant statement, but a known fact from Freezas own experiences....

Even though you didn't say anything about this, I feel I need to say this... Cold being Freezas father and the king of their race means nothing, as Vegeta surpassed his father King Vegeta.... So Colds rank and status within his own race means nothing...

Not only that but take ALL that was said about his supressions, and the fact Cold doesn't seemingly have any other forms himself, and there you go....

Also, Pui Pui is not stronger than Freeza....


So, stemming from what we do know as uncontradicted stated fact, I can't see how anyone could say Cold was as strong, or stronger than 100% Freeza.... Everything stated and shown, including the Mecha Freeza fight suggests the opposite, that Cold is infact weaker than his son...

This message was edited by Mishimi on Nov 10 2009.

most people base their level for Cold upon the statement by Freeza when he said nobody had hurt him like that except his parents (Freeza was in his Final Form but not 50%). So if u use that as your barometer, i can see why you might put Cold around there.

imo, determining Cold and Mecha Freeza's full power is one of the more gray areas in DB debates. The whole situation with Trunks can be interpreted in many different ways. Personally, i like to think Trunks pretty much blindsided Freeza and didnt let Freeza get up to Full Power.

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Android 18 one shots all of them.

She's much stronger then all of them.Their punches won't even faze her.Even if you put Meta Cooler in ,she still one shots all of them.

It's not even a fight, they wouldn't even last 5 seconds.

Holy Crap! talk about overrating a Character.

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quote America

Android 18 one shots all of them.

She's much stronger then all of them.Their punches won't even faze her.Even if you put Meta Cooler in ,she still one shots all of them.

It's not even a fight, they wouldn't even last 5 seconds.

Holy Crap! talk about overrating a Character.

I actually agree with America. 17 who is very close to 18 in power, one shotted SSJ Trunks, who easily took out all be it a potentially less than FP Cold and Mecha Freeza and SSJ Goku pretty easily defeated Cooler. So I think that 18 would, in the most likely scenario, one shot all of them.

This is hardly a contest, each of the Cold clan members were picked apart by Super Saiyans with ease, who in turn were much stronger when they confronted #18, but still were the ones that got pwned there. So yes, as said #18 pulverizes the Cold clan with immense ease. Meta Cooler could prove to be a tough fight perhaps, but I reckon Skull was talking about the regular, organic form...

It goes like this pretty much: #18 >>> Cooler > Frieza >>>>>> King Cold (yeah, I think Cold is a wuss)...

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Also, Pui Pui is not stronger than Freeza....

Explain Mish, was this ever stated to be a fact? I don't recall that being the case, he could easily be stronger too, we can't tell...