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Aug 10, 04 07:37AMrpgfreek1722


ok everyone wat u think? tyson power,crazyness,stupidity! or speed,control,intelect, and grace. honestly theres losts of ali vs tyson, bruce vs tyson match ups. but the fact of the matter is POWER is not everything. the mind is much stronger. wich i think bruce and ali use alot more of than tyson.

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Dec 13, 05 02:41PMbrassangel


There are several things to consider here.

First: the eras. It's true that the 60's and 70's produced a slew of hall of fame heavyweights. Frazier, Foreman, Spinks (eww..), Chuvalo (misspell..), Liston, Patterson, etc. Muhammad Ali did defeat each of these fighters at least once. The difference between this era and the 80's (when Tyson peaked) is conditioning. The fighters of Ali's era were generally slow moving and would rapidly tire out. Frazier was one of few who could keep punching into the late rounds, and everybody saw how effective he was against Ali. Smokin' Joe really should have won their second meeting, but he was pretty much jobbed out of a decision. Anyway, Ali was able to take advantage of his slower opponents by throwing off their rhythm with jabs, and circling until they became dizzy or tired. If someone managed to get close, he would hug his opponents head until they were separated; which by the way, was a tactic that was later made illegal before Tyson even came on the scene. Muhammad Ali also made use of the ropes quite often, due to their looseness and flexibility. They (the ropes) were later tightened to prevent this from becoming a habit among heavyweights. By the time Tyson's era had rolled around, there were so many aspiring boxers that the pool simply became too large for any one man to dominate. Furthermore, the fighters now had to be prepared to strike with power and speed, as well as having the agility and stamina to go 12-15 rounds. The heavyweight scene had changed.

Second: styles. Joe Frazier was a volume power puncher. He could get in close and hurt you with body shots just enough to open your left side for a thundering hook. He was fairly one dimensional, however, as his right hand was no more than a parrying tool. Ali exposed this in the third fight by continually popping Joe over the right eye until Joe's already blind side had swelled completely shut. George Foreman swung with giant, tree-trunk like arms that were locked at the elbow. He usually had to throw several punches to hope to land one. While he was one of the hardest hitters of all time, he was notorious for tiring after 4 rounds or so. Given that he expected a short fight, and fought in 90 degree weather against a quicker opponent, it's no surprise that he was upset by the cunning Muhammad Ali. Again, Ali did use many tactics in this fight that were quickly ratified and would no longer be legal in any way, shape, or form.

Tyson is a different fighter than Joe or George. While his power is easily comperable to both of them, his speed was often overshadowed by his dynamite fists. He could bob and weave his way into a taller, quicker fighter's space, and chop them down with crunching combinations to the midsection. In fact, he even knocked a few fighters out this way. Often times, the taller fighter would have to block their ribs for fear of a break or internal bleeding, and Tyson would use this to land several clean head shots that put people out. Niether Joe nor George had the ability to fight with both hands as well as Tyson. Period. Ali NEVER faced a fighter with Tyson's explosive capabilities; in fact, Ali was even quoted as saying about Tyson, "...even I wouldn't be likely to handle him...". Ali depended on developing a steady jab rhythm against power punchers, and a fighter just couldn't get such a rhythm on Tyson. His head and body movement were usually enough to cut the ring off, no matter how slippery the fighter, and tear his opponents down. Had Cuz been there for the Douglas fight, Tyson would have had the greatest career in boxing history.

Finally: It's all theoretical. While these arguments sound neat and we can continue this "debate in a vacuum" forever, there's a good chance that we could all be very wrong about who would win. My conclusion: Tyson would win their first fight. If it advanced to a trilogy, Ali would eventually figure something out, because he was just that smart. Ali was the smartest fighter in history, and Tyson was the most explosive. Ali would win the trilogy, or at least tie it up at 1-1. If the latter is the case, then we'd set up the hearing. In the preliminary hearings of fight 3, Ali would taunt Tyson until he got ticked and ate Ali's bodyguards. Ali would sue Mike and send him to jail preventing a third bout.

Seriously, I think that Ali would probably take 2 out of 3 from any fighter; with Tyson being the toughest. I would guess that Tyson vs. Ali would be spectacular nonetheless.

Dec 08, 05 09:12PMmichaeln


i think that tyson is so much better, but if u fill up the big peoples speed i think they are good, and ali is weak! all he does is run away i could beat him, but it uses like 1/4 of my power to ko him. So power is sooo much better and it dapends on the player.

Jun 26, 05 09:12AMstarwars man


ali would win

Mar 16, 05 02:46PMRONSAXTON


ALI is not the G.O.A.T. because of boxing itself i agree, he is more than that and he said it himself beore he stopped speaking. . He has used the boxing stage to effect many for the better.
BUT LOOKING at the ring performance of the 2 in their primes. . reseaching. . . Tyson in his first champion ship form would have won against Ali. Ali was mainly the greates because he won the title 3 times the first ever.

Nov 17, 04 04:31PMredy2die


ronsaxton makes a good point.
i only compared Tyson to frazier because of the head movement. i couldn't compare Mike to foreman other than that the two may be the heaviest punchers in the history of the division. foreman stood and wailed hooks at the body with straight elbows. so differently than the place Mike generates his power from. frazier sort of had a take 3 to get in 1 style, making him unlike Mike.
Mike at his best could ko anyone.
i only hesitate to put his skills in this fantasy match up out of respect for Ali. Ali was/is a great human being.
i know this topic is not about that, but for me it is a factor.
Ali being the G.O.A.T goes beyond boxing.

Nov 15, 04 08:03PMRONSAXTON


POINT BLANK.
Here is the deal men, In Ali's prime the only man to beat him was Joe Frazier. Joe is a simular Mike Tyson BUT Mike is much more of a technician puncher AND boxer!! The only man to take Mike the distance was Whitherspoon. I HAVE THE TAPE TO PROVE IT!! And even then IN HIS PRIME MIKE was fresh the WHOLE fight. When this comes up among friends i have have shown them the tape. They then could see that IF ALI TYSON WOULD HAVE WENT THE DISTANCE TYSON WOULD HAVE WON. ALI running and moving and attmpting to counterpunch would have been ALI's demise. Ali Never faced a man with the speed and power and skill of a {PRIME} Tyson. Tyson with Kevin Rooney was unbeatable. Dont think of Tyson today, but of Yesterday. Dont think Of Ali in Forman time. .He was over the Hill then. Frazier never possessed the power/speed of Tyson. And Ali Fell to Frazier--Got the tape too. Think of the primes of the men. Skills. Ali never faced a Tyson likeness at all.

"FEEL THE POWER IN COMBINATIONS-- TYSON IN HIS PRIME HIT A 250 POUND HEAVY FIVE TIMES IN 3 SECONDS AND THE BAG SWUNG WIDE-- GOT IT ON TAPE!!"

Nov 12, 04 12:55PMsippinsyrup


in all honesty i haven't seen enough of either of these two fight o really make a perfect guess. but the way i see it is even though ali experienced much stiffer competition in his prime he actually boxed ppl who were better than him in some ppl's eyes like frazier and foreman.

tyson however was swift and to the point, he simply didn't believe he could be hurt, and for much of his career that was the case, that is unitl he ran into buster douglas... he knocked everyone out and had power that i just can't believe anyone could have ever matched in ali's time.

obviously i know muhc more about tyson than ali, buti don know that ali was flawed in skill but very intelligent, tyson on the other hand was damn near perfect because u couldn't capatilize on his mistakes. and if you did it seemed to just make him madder. he was a freak.

i think in both of their primes w/ both of their gigantic ego's and b4 tyson went insane (literally, its pretty obvious he's not all there nemore, those punches apparantly did have an effect) i think tyson would win.

Oct 20, 04 09:49AMredy2die


well Ali's victory over Foreman was incredible considering
no one has done that to George even in his old age.don't forget though, Frazier had more success with Ali, Tyson's style is more similiar to that.
but to the guy who said "bum lovin Tyson fans" you need to check yourself.anyone who can't respect both of these men is being foolish.the ? posed was also flawed because both fighters missed out on their primes due to being criminalized by the same system that tried to destroy Kobe Bryant.

Oct 19, 04 08:17AMkoopa513


I cant believe I didnt see this earlier. Ali would dismantle Tyson. Has anyone seen George Foreman fight in his prime? He hits just as hard as Tyson and he's a MUCH smarter fighter. He was dismantled by Ali. Who the hell has Tyson fought to say he's even a top 10 heavyweight??? Ali over Tyson in 6-8 rds, guaranteed!!

Sep 28, 04 07:01PMSephiroth9


Yalll tha biggest bikaty bitch bandwagon riding fags.... Ali hence the name greatest screw all u bum loving tyson fans

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