level 3 is rescue the captive ninja and good news i grandmastered the whole game with both ayame and rikimaru, now i just mostly mess around with debug mode, using onikage is really fun exept for the fact that he only does 5 damage and cant throw anything
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thx ill see were i can get a copy of WOH rite now im almost done with Ayame just levels 3 and 10 left
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well currently i have the first tenchu and dark secret for the DS in the psx game i just achieved grand master rating in every level with rikimaru and am working on ayame which i only need levels 3,8,9,10 should be easy

and yes i am a big fan of tenchu iam trying to find a tenchu 2 for the psx and then ill move up to the ps2 games
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quote Dantess26

It sounds to me like you just conformed to the rest of the critics and game fans opinions.

So if I said shit smells bad I'm conforming?

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Could it be that both me and Subaru have a unique taste in games... no, that's not the case.

Very unique.

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Exactly my point. Only a little.

I was being sarcastic. MGS has vastly improved it's gameplay and the stealth genre itself.

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but catagorically it hasn't made leaps and bounds. WOW- new character models. Series' don't just change into other genres, so don't complain that Tenchu has hardly changed,

It added alot to the stealth element WITHOUT changing it's genre. I never asked Tenchu to change genres, just to actually add some gameplay mechanics to enhance the gameplay experience instead I get a few new items and a couple of moves and abilities after 4 games. They've yet to do anything with the AI(aside from Tenchu 4 and even in that it's not as good as other stealth games).

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obviously if you can't see that FS improved in ALL aspects to WoH it seems like you haven't played it, or you seriously love new character models?).

To me if you can't see that FS hardly added anything to the game engine(the fact that it runs on the same engine is somewhat disappointing) you must not have played any other series of any decent game.

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Jumping from game to game, all Tenchu's are similar indeed,

Finally you get it.

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they are Ninja stealth-action-hack 'em up games, but seperately they are just great."

I wouldn't exactly call them "hack 'em up"
And you're right, if someone played one of the others by itself they would be tricked into thinking it is a good sequal(Not saying their bad games just bad sequels)

quote Dantess26

the opinions of the masses are crap

I never said they weren't, but some things everyone can agree on again shit smells unpleseant and tenchu sequels don't add much to gameplay. I guess it all depends on where you draw the line on what is right and wrong and what complete denial is.

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I could be spending this time having 'good times' on a 'crappy game'.

Ummm yeah, you could.

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I can see you are a fan-boy of MGS.

Anyone can see you are a Tenchu fan boy.
And you say this like I'm not a Tenchu fan boy despite the fact that I own every game besides FS and Z and spend all this time talking about the series.


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quote Dantess26

I don't care about those critics- they can suck balls for all i care.

I was referring to every Tenchu fan I ever met besides you and Subaru.

Good critics never give inaccurate facts about the games you may potentially buy, they are trying to inform (warn?) you about inadequacies in the game that may disappoint you. They never say you absolutely can't have fun with the game, because as you know, this varies from person to person.

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Again you are 'giving' an opinion.

Ok, I'm throwing my opinion out the window because you've heard it before. I will do my best best to 'give' FACT.

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But basing games on what they are (not the series they come from), their gameplay, longevity, STORY, music and graphics, i place the whole series highly on my list of best games.

Well if you're going by story Tenchu doesn't have much to offer other than Birth. Also a total 10 levels doesn't scream longevity by any stretch of the imagination. If you're going by graphics FS has the same graphics as a game from 2003. And If you're going by gameplay the series hasn't seriously stepped up it's game since 1998. The AI of enemies and the way the game works has never been dramatically changed.

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Just like MGS, where all the games were (are) similar, even MGS3 which used the same engine anyway (wow, it's in the jungle, so many differences!)

Ok I have to draw the line here, to say that MGS has remained unchanged as much as Tenchu is quite simply madness.

You failed to mention that MGS 3 added the whole CQCfighting syle, a complex camouflage system(Which acquire has obviously been inspired by with the watered-down camo in Tenchu 4), Tons of alternate costumes and facepaints, and at least a dozen new weapons and gadgets. The biggest addition to the gameplay was the survival elements. Oh and did I mention new character models? Along with much better graphics. The list goes on and on.

Basically look at it this way:
Tenchu to Tenchu WoH: Enemies still act exactly as stupid, grappling hook and fighting is about the same other than a few new moves, most importantly the stealth engine has had no major changes. A decent amount of new items, most of them recycled from past games.

MGS to MGS3: The entire gameplay has been completely revised and improved with 1st person aiming, advanced CQC stealth, new detection engines and evasion with far superior AI, the entire stamina and survival engine with all the food, all the new costumes, the ability to shake down enemies for items while holding them up. The graphical update is vastly superior to any previous game, whereas Fatal Shadows (which was released on the same console as WoH, just like MGS2&3) did not receive any kind of graphical revision. The only gameplay "updates" in that Tenchu games usually receive are nothing more than little added nuances like dashing or the way you draw your sword. Love it or hate it, Birth did nothing for series in terms of gameplay. WoH is the only game in the series that added a few genuinely new concepts like magic-nija abilities as a result of performing enough stealth kills. The extras like co-op and vs can't hide the the very stale gameplay in that it has, which compared to other PS2 games released much earlier, with much higher production values and 'fresh' gameplay, is what makes it seem like an utter failure. I just wish the developers would add some decent AI, but they still refuse to include it. Despite those painful facts, I managed to have some fun with these games.

Do I even have to mention Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots? You can't compare it Tenchu Z or even Tenchu 4 because its on the Nintendo Wii(which is not even next-gen and its vastly superior to Z, which is just pathetic.

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you can pit them against most games of their times.

Well no not really. Yes these games are entertaining, fun and pretty cool but it's when you start comparing them with other games of the time or before it(MGS2) Thats not to say that good times can't be had with crappy games.


I'd say MGS has stepped up it's game a little more than Tenchu.

And although it is my opinion that MGS is better Splinter Cell, it is a commonly accepted fact that Splinter Cell is even better than MGS in many ways.

When it comes down to it we can't let our opinions on something cloud our view of the truth. The Tenchu series just doesn't measure up to the standard of current stealth games. In fact its never been a contender with exception of the original game.

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