Author: playboydojo
Date: (PT)
Subject: Blackheart Discussion
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Sharing Blackheart knowledge and overall discussion of why he doesn't wear pants. Everybody share what they know.
First, you need to discover the Tail of Jesus. All of BH's lk's are godly. They are some of the quickest long range pokes in the game. The standing lk reaches between a third and halfway across screen. The jumping lk is a little shorter than the jumping lp, but it reaches further under him. The lp's are great too, but the lk's are quicker and-- especially in standing/crouching situations--setup for combo's better. lk+Anti Air Assist(AAA), lk *assist hits* InfernoxxHeart of Darkness is still a great combo when it hits. If you can DHC it into something else, like Sent's HSF, or Iron Man's Proton Cannon, you're got something killer on your hands. If the very next character in your deck is Storm, use Armageddon instead of HoD so you can DHC into Hailstorm, and relaunch. The lk's should usually be your main opener if you want to catch somebody screwing up.
The second thing you want to learn is his jumping hp(usually done with a space-controlling assist like Sentinel's drones). People who think BH gets rushed down for free haven't been playing the right BH's. The main thing about this set up is that with all the demons (and drones, or whatever) on screen, Magneto can't just dash right in. He can't dash right over, because BH is so high up, you'll be able to react in time(not to mention, he'll have to get past the demons wandering about and folloing BH). Don't overuse this, because essentially you're not getting anything done. This was the biggest downfall to playing BH as a trap character--not getting any real damage in for his effort. Use this only to stop rush characters. With the exception of Captain Commando, BH and Ken, this is fairly safe in spite of AAA's. If it hits, don't forget to squeeze in an lk (or launcer, I guess) to go for a combo opportunity.
I'll post more tomorrow.
Does anyone know why BH doesn't wear any pants?
Author: vvynaut
Date: (PT)
Subject: re: Blackheart Discussion
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Is he a symbiot?
Author: darkrex25
Date: (PT)
Subject: re: Blackheart Discussion
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Hey people, I was wondering is Blackheart from the Ghost Rider comics or what?
Author: playboydojo
Date: (PT)
Subject: re: Blackheart Discussion
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I've seen him in Silver Surfer a couple times, but mostly he was around during the infinity gauntlet seriest(the main reason he's in the game--if you'll remember he first appearence was in Mavel Super Heroes: a game that revolved around the gauntlet). He's Mephisto's son, and he doesn't wear pants.
Next you learn the infinite. While it's never good to reley only on the infinite, it's good to know. Just understand the drawbacks to it.
1. It involves using the demons, and the way people bounce off the demons can sometimes be unexpected. This adds an uncertainty factor to your infinite.
2. It adds a lot of meter to your oponnent's bar. If they were full anyway, this doesn't matter. Mostly likely, you had better kill them.
3. Hits add up quick, and it doesn't do much damage(because the hits add up so quick).
Anyways, the infinite is based upon a quirk of the mid-air hk. when the opponent is in midair and gets hit my hk demons, they bounce on the ground. In this way, the hk can combo into itself. The main setup is:
c.lk, c.lk+AAA(usually Cyke), [sj. hk, air dash back(or forward) sj.hk, land], repeat brackets.
There's another method that BHKing referred to, but I've no clue where he went. Anyways, after about 5 reps of this you've a few options:
launch, sj.lp, sj.lk, sj.lp, air dash, hp throw(yeah right, save this for when you DON'T have meter)
launch, sj.fp, Judgement DayxxDHC
InfernoxxHod(or Armageddon)xxDHC
Tag in, combo(Best option here would be Cable--AHVBx3 and all)
Snapback(good to switch a potential meter burner with his AAA.)
All in all, this infinite is nice to know considering it's the EASIEST infinite in the whole game. And it builds nice meter for BH's team. Which is why I mention DHC's. BH can set up some nice ones with the right team.
Author: hanzo
Date: (PT)
Subject: re: Blackheart Discussion
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BH.... alot of people says that blackheart does not have air combo. do u have any? hehe. i have 3 of his combo. u need em?
Author: playboydojo
Date: (PT)
Subject: re: Blackheart Discussion
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This damn computer is screwing with me!
Anyways...hanz, you know you're the combo guy around here. Post'em if you got'em.
The main ones I know is:
launch, sj.lp, pause, sj.lp, sj.lk, sj.lp, airdash, sj.lp, sj.lk, sj.lp, sj.b+hk(doesn't hit), hold forward(reset), sj.lk/lp, land, c.lk, c.lk+AAA....
(corner)launch, sj.lp, sj.lp, airdash, sj.lp, sj.lk, sj.lp, sj.lk, sj.hp--demons don't combo, but if you catch the player sleeping, it'll hit them as they get up.
Of course, these are my faves, and the only reason I posted them is because I'm hoping these are 2 of the 3 hanz knows, so I can cut into his lead a little(
). I don't tell anybody good combos unless they dare me too, and you all know this. DAMN YOU FOR EXPLOITING MY WEAKNESS!Author: hanzo
Date: (PT)
Subject: re: Blackheart Discussion
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lol... yay! i finally get some BH combos. lalallalallala...
okok... anyway, my 3 combos are: c.lk with capcom AAA, s.hk, then do the demon special... (half life on cable)
call storm projectile assist, dash to another side of your opponent side, launch, sj.lp, sj.lk, sj.mp, ad.lp, lk, mp, grab.
c.lp, c.mp, j.lp, j.lk, j.mp, j.mk
jump in lk, mk, land, launch, sj.hp XX demons special. after that, u can dhc to storm or watever.
yeah, i know my bh combo is not impressive but... well, can't really blame me ya? he is not a gd comboer. heh heh. anyway, storm n bh can do something too. so now, u have know 1 bh with storm combo. now if u are storm out first, u can use this combo.
c.lk with BH AAA assist, c.lp, s.hk, sj.ad.uf(change position), lighning attack(reset) your opponent XX lighning storm. about 60%+ life
oh yeah, i have inf. of morigan and megaman. need them?
anyway, hope this might help alittle. cya guys later.
Author: playboydojo
Date: (PT)
Subject: re: Blackheart Discussion
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Those two combos involving Storm are damn sweet, hanzo. I especially like the the BH airdash/crossup you have there. Not many people I played against used BH to crossup/rush. Most just superjump and throw demons all day(notice, I didn't and won't suggest that here). That reset is nice too--I haven't seen many uses for BH's assist.
Storm/BH is a great pair. Although BH/Sent/CapCom is UNSTOPPABLE, Storm/BH/CapCom is great too.
By the way....that was 4 combos you gave us.
I think you've motivated me to find some new combos
BH must have them!
Author: kin jazama
Date: (PT)
Subject: re: Blackheart Discussion
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Blackheart is pretty much my favorite villian.
His image looks real cool.
Not to mention he has my physique....kinda.
We kinda look alike too, except I actually have a mouth and brown eyes.
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Author: playboydojo
Date: (PT)
Subject: re: Blackheart Discussion
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so...you walk around without any pants too?
Anyways, when BH is in the reserve, learn to use his assist at opportune moments. He's a tall guy and he stands there for a long time so unless your opponent simply can't reach him DON'T CALL HIM! This usually means you're calling the big guy when the enemy superjumps. This works out well because his assist is perfect for the job. Nobody should really be superjumping when you have a BH AAA.
Of course, when you're keeping the opponent locked down, it's also safe to use, but there should be a better option on your team for that.
Keep in mind that when you call an assist and superjump, as long as your assist is offscreen, they're not getting hit. This works great for BH because his assist comes out slowly--sometimes the opponent won't realize you've thrown him out and they'll chase you down. It's very funny to see a Cable sj.hp hoping to catch you screwing up, then get hit by BH.
As far as with BH on point an AAA is crucial. A lot of teams keep 1 AAA and usually it's the last character. Don't do that to BH--he really can't stand alone to the likes of his enemies these days. You'll need an assist for the ground: Sent (ground), Storm (proj), Cable (proj), Doom (AAA), Spiral (proj), Anakaris (ground)...something to cover his but and fortify his j.hp. Against the air, just about any AAA works, but the most common is CapCom and Cyke. CapCom's damage, speed and range for his assist is phenomenal, and Cyke's comes out instantly and has great priority and invincibility(I've stopped a lot of supers with it). Cyke's can also help his ground game thanks to the forward motion of his assist and all. Just whatever you pick, keep in mind that you're gonna want a great DHC with BH, because he's got meter to burn.
This message was edited by playboydojo on Jan 28 2004.
Author: kin jazama
Date: (PT)
Subject: re: Blackheart Discussion
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Naw man.........too cold around here to be walkin around without any pants.
But let's get off that shall we....
By the way, Blackheart is the arch enemy of Ghost Rider.
I read it on a buncha sites.
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I'm the arch nemisis, don't step into my premises, before I bash you in the head with my old Sega Genesis.
Author: playboydojo
Date: (PT)
Subject: re: Blackheart Discussion
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Yeah, well, Ghost Rider's lame too. At least BH has the "not wearing pants" thing going for him.
Author: kin jazama
Date: (PT)
Subject: re: Blackheart Discussion
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Well you're probably right.
First villian not to wear pants....maybe the first.
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Author: Dirty_Mouth
Date: (PT)
Subject: re: Blackheart Discussion
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I got a decent combo for Felicia with Tronn projectile assist.
Note: this combo is rollable so be warned
jump in with fp land dash in doing c.lk, c.lk+Tronn, c.lk, c.mk, c.hkxxx Catfight special does super damage if opponent forgets to roll. I'm not too sure after but I think havn't tried yet but I'm kinda sure that you can dhc into Timeflip after with cable. I'm not to sure about that I'll check tonight then edit if anything. But I'm sure about the Felicia combo.
By tha way is it confirmed that storm long air combo can be done by that following below instead of the regular way?
launch sj.lk, sj.lp, sj, lk, s.lp airdash up reapeat xx la, LS?
There is alot of things I have to try out when I get back to a arcade or dreamcast.
Anyways I love those blackheart post I'll be keeping those in mind, thanks
Author: hanzo
Date: (PT)
Subject: re: Blackheart Discussion
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er... for the storm 1 i think u can't 1234 airdash repeat. i think can do a 12 airdash 1234.