Author: GhostMember
Date: Apr 27, 07 7:18pm (PT)
Subject: Fire Emblem 7 Tier Ranks
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quote MastaHazukiDart never promotes in a ranked HHM run without severely ruining ranks. Therefore, low tier.By 'usefulness', is that in any regard to the letter rank? Or just how useful they are in-game regardless? i.e. Dart is a good unit with a midgame entrance, but makes you drop 50,000 from funds rank to promote him.
I believe Bartre should be higher, though. He gets a bad rap because of crappy lv. 1 bases but turns out competent.
Bartre is doubled by Chapter 12 GENERIC Brigands. He'd be higher if he wasn't so hard to train.
quote tomato13187I'll consider bumping up Bartre but Renault deserves that spot. He isn't more useful than any of the characters above him.Bartre should be a tad higher, and Renault should be Low instead of Bottom.
Though Nils/Ninian, should be higher since they don't eat up any funds, except for the rings, though I don't think they sell for anything. They can grant a better unit another move, instead of a lesser unit, who might be more of a liability. Especially since the Twins have such great speed & luck, their dodge is amazing.
Ninian/Nils is a waste of roster space. And Ninian's supports are a liability. Nils also takes up a space in the Final Chapter which could be used for someone else.
quote tomato13187HAHAHAHAHAHA-no. Healers are essential for every run and Priscilla is the best healer in Hector Hard Mode. Period.I beg to differ. Priscilla being limited to staves for the early portion of the game decreases her worth greatly.
Priscilla's base Mgc stat > Serra's Lv 7 Mgc.
Priscilla's 7 Mov > Serra's 5 Mov.
Priscilla's Aid > Serra's Aid.
That, and healers boost your EXP easier than attacking units do with Hard Mode EXP cut.
quote Carnivorous SheepAnima and Staves are cheaper, lighter, and more easily available than Dark. And Luna kills funds rank.I personally don't believe in Pent.
Canas > Priscilla.
Matthew > Legault
Therefore, Priscilla > Canas.
Matthew > Legault as an Assassin.
Legault > Matthew as a Thief.
And since using the Fell Contract murders funds, and Silencer is a crappy skill, HHM-boosted Legault > Matthew.
quote fe7 8 9 10 r awsumRath is underlevelled and has mediocre stats all around. His only purpose is being a novelty of the only Nomad Trooper ingame.Yes, because Rath deserves 2. Sword + Bows pwn, as proved by Lyn. Plus a horse!
quote Erk The MageCome to think of it, I think his and Oswin's place should be switched. Thoughts?I like rave and all, but he doesn't deserve to be #2.
Author: MastaHazuki
Date: Apr 27, 07 7:55pm (PT)
Subject: re: Fire Emblem 7 Tier Ranks
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quoteSo to answer my question; yes, the 'usefulness' we are considering factors in their contribution to their letter rank.Dart never promotes in a ranked HHM run without severely ruining ranks. Therefore, low tier.
quoteBartre does well against the soldiers, knights and pegasus knights which are plentiful in about the first 5 chapters of the game. Soldiers and knights have poor to no AS to begin with, and peg knight and soldiers both have less con than iron lance weight. Of course, he has WTA against all of these units.Bartre is doubled by Chapter 12 GENERIC Brigands. He'd be higher if he wasn't so hard to train.
That should get him to a better level and a competent stats before you get into hard hitting chapters. He'll grow along with the rest of your army from there.
Only other thing I can think of right off the top of my head is that Athos should be lower on the list, since the fact that he's only there for one chapter outweighs his stats and abiliies. And Heath should be higher. I don't believe Geitz and Rath to be better than him.
Author: Carnivorous Sheep
Date: Apr 27, 07 8:39pm (PT)
Subject: re: Fire Emblem 7 Tier Ranks
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quote GhostMemberPriscilla is replaceable, Canas is not.Anima and Staves are cheaper, lighter, and more easily available than Dark. And Luna kills funds rank.
Therefore, Priscilla > Canas.
Canas > Priscilla.
Author: GhostMember
Date: Apr 27, 07 8:42pm (PT)
Subject: re: Fire Emblem 7 Tier Ranks
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quote MastaHazukiHm... true. I think he deserves to be bumped up a few spots.quoteBartre does well against the soldiers, knights and pegasus knights which are plentiful in about the first 5 chapters of the game. Soldiers and knights have poor to no AS to begin with, and peg knight and soldiers both have less con than iron lance weight. Of course, he has WTA against all of these units.Bartre is doubled by Chapter 12 GENERIC Brigands. He'd be higher if he wasn't so hard to train.
That should get him to a better level and a competent stats before you get into hard hitting chapters. He'll grow along with the rest of your army from there.
quoteDarn, I must've missed that while rearranging the list.[orignator=MastaHazuki]
Only other thing I can think of right off the top of my head is that Athos should be lower on the list, since the fact that he's only there for one chapter outweighs his stats and abiliies. And Heath should be higher. I don't believe Geitz and Rath to be better than him.
Author: DuKer NukeR
Date: Apr 27, 07 10:30pm (PT)
Subject: re: Fire Emblem 7 Tier Ranks
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Dart deserves top tier, as the only good axe user in the game how does he rank with the horrible prepromotes like Isadora?
Author: fe_fr33k3r
Date: Apr 27, 07 10:40pm (PT)
Subject: re: Fire Emblem 7 Tier Ranks
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DN, youre right.Dorcas sucks and Bartre is a crappy low-speed EXP hog and is only useful to get Karla. Period. Dart rules and is also the only one in the game that can use the Ocean Seal, unless youre hacking.
Author: GhostMember
Date: Apr 27, 07 11:26pm (PT)
Subject: re: Fire Emblem 7 Tier Ranks
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quote Duker NukerKey words you should remember: Ranked Run.Dart deserves top tier, as the only good axe user in the game how does he rank with the horrible prepromotes like Isadora?
Ocean Seal is worth 50,000G.
Promoting Dart means -50,000G to funds rank.
Therefore, Dart does not promote in a ranked run rendering him useless after he hits 20/-.
Oh yeah, Hector, Oswin, Raven, Harken, Hawkeye, Kent, Geitz and Lowen feel unloved.
Author: teh_swordmaster
Date: Apr 28, 07 5:44am (PT)
Subject: re: Fire Emblem 7 Tier Ranks
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Pent and Marcus are way overrated. They are both pre-promotes who are very strong but get surpassed by other characters in the same class.
Btw Batre is about even with Dorcas, but I prefer Batre.
Similar growth rates...
quoteSourceDorcas HP 80% Str 60% Skill 40% Speed 20% Def 25% Res 15% Luck 40%
Bartre HP 85% Str 50% Skill 35% Speed 40% Def 30% Res 25% Luck 30%
and similar base stats...
quoteSourceDorcas Lvl 3 HP 30 Str 7 Skill 7 Speed 6 Def 3 Res 0 Luck 3 Con 14
Batre Lvl 2 HP 29 Str 9 Skill 5 Speed 3 Def 4 Res 0 Luck 4 Con 13
Author: Blaster Sarge
Date: Apr 28, 07 10:03am (PT)
Subject: re: Fire Emblem 7 Tier Ranks
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I don't particularly favor the fact of my Dorcas being doubled by GENERALS in lategame. He gains 1 speed every 5 levels, leading to an 7-8 speed growth total ingame. That leads to about 14 speed at level 20/20 worrior, excluding premotional growths. Bartre doubles Dorcas in speed, giving him about 18-19 speed endgame, excluding premotional growths. He'd be doubling Dorcas in his sleep.
Author: DuKer NukeR
Date: Apr 28, 07 4:46pm (PT)
Subject: re: Fire Emblem 7 Tier Ranks
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Dorcas plain sucks anyway.
Author: Erk The Mage
Date: Apr 28, 07 7:24pm (PT)
Subject: re: Fire Emblem 7 Tier Ranks
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quotePriscilla is not replaceable! She is easier to level up and more usefull than Canas. You also get her before Canas. Without her, it would be much more difficult, you could do it without Canas just fine.Priscilla is replaceable, Canas is not.
Canas > Priscilla.
Author: Fe78910Rawsum
Date: Apr 28, 07 7:40pm (PT)
Subject: re: Fire Emblem 7 Tier Ranks
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I've never used Priscilla, and I find it quite easy. I tried without Canas once, and got completely owned by Chapter 23.
Author: Carnivorous Sheep
Date: Apr 28, 07 7:58pm (PT)
Subject: re: Fire Emblem 7 Tier Ranks
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quote Erk The MageROFL.Priscilla is not replaceable! She is easier to level up and more usefull than Canas. You also get her before Canas. Without her, it would be much more difficult, you could do it without Canas just fine.
A healer at level 3 is easier to level up than a level 8 Shaman? I lol'd.
Serra is a healer, and all promoted magic units heal. There's definitely no shortage of Anima.
Canas, on the other hand, is the only Dark user.
Author: GhostMember
Date: Apr 28, 07 11:23pm (PT)
Subject: re: Fire Emblem 7 Tier Ranks
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quote teh_swordmasterHahahaha- no. I'd like to see you even try a ranked HHM run without Marcus before you go on further about him.Pent and Marcus are way overrated. They are both pre-promotes who are very strong but get surpassed by other characters in the same class.
Btw Batre is about even with Dorcas, but I prefer Batre.
Similar growth rates...quoteSourceDorcas HP 80% Str 60% Skill 40% Speed 20% Def 25% Res 15% Luck 40%
Bartre HP 85% Str 50% Skill 35% Speed 40% Def 30% Res 25% Luck 30%
and similar base stats...quoteSourceDorcas Lvl 3 HP 30 Str 7 Skill 7 Speed 6 Def 3 Res 0 Luck 3 Con 14
Batre Lvl 2 HP 29 Str 9 Skill 5 Speed 3 Def 4 Res 0 Luck 4 Con 13
And Pent is one of the best units in HHM. Unrapable bases, high weapon levels, instant A support, needs no training, and prepromoted, saving your funds rank about 10K.
Erk requires training and a Guiding Ring and ends up worse than Pent except for Spd, which hardly matters as Pent doubles most generic enemies.
Nino is useless in a ranked run.
And Bartre is the best Warrior in the game. 'Nuff said.
quote Carnivorous SheepActually, yes. Priscilla's staves always give her the same EXP in all modes, while Canas' EXP gains are cut in HHM due to him being an attacking unit.quote Erk The MageROFL.Priscilla is not replaceable! She is easier to level up and more usefull than Canas. You also get her before Canas. Without her, it would be much more difficult, you could do it without Canas just fine.
A healer at level 3 is easier to level up than a level 8 Shaman? I lol'd.
Serra is a healer, and all promoted magic units heal. There's definitely no shortage of Anima.
Canas, on the other hand, is the only Dark user.
Serra's magic is inferior to Priscilla's even with a level advantage. Priscilla's movement also makes her a better healer than Serra.
And why not have another Anima user? Anima is the best magic type ingame, being the cheapest, lightest, and second strongest.
Dark magic is arguably the worst magic type for a ranked run, as it is rare and costs so much.
Author: Carnivorous Sheep
Date: Apr 29, 07 1:40pm (PT)
Subject: re: Fire Emblem 7 Tier Ranks
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And abusing staves is even more expensive than Dark Magic, I don't see your point.
Dark Magic is still invaluable. Making the run without Canas will make things a lot harder on yourself.