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21,000+ upset gamers aiming to boycott Left 4 Dead 2
Chris Higgins - Wednesday, June 10th, 2009 | 11:32AM (PT) 0 Like Favourites (0)


A small handful of people really don't want L4D2 so early

Last week at E3 we heard the announcement of Valve's new game, Left 4 Dead 2, and we were even able to get some hands-on action and a demo video.  But not everyone is happy. As you may have already heard, some of the more hardcore Left 4 Dead fans can't stand the idea of a new game being released so soon.

The disgruntled gamers have started a boycott against the game, Steam, and Valve, with over 21,000 people signing a anti-L4D2 petition so far.  One gamer was quoted stating "I will no longer purchase any games from steam ever again, i will go to gamestop for all gaming needs i don't care if i have to walk or drive, if it is released, nor will i play any of valves future games even if they make a half life 3."

Another gamer believes that current L4D owners have been ripped off of downloadable content from Valve.  He stated, "I hope to GOD that people are smart enough to realize NOT to buy this BS. WHERE IS THE CONTENT YOU PROMISED US VALVE. Putting maps in the game that were SUPPOSE to be there at release is NOT new content."

The boycotting community believes that the release of Left 4 Dead 2 will "split the L4D community", thus "decreasing the quality of multiplayer gaming." In response, Valve said "L4D, we still aren't done with it...we still have updates coming...we're going to announce some stuff." 

Hopefully they'll keep their word.  If you want to learn more about the boycott, check out the Left 4 Dead 2 Boycott Steam group.

  • 0 thumbs!
    hollowedsol since Feb 2008 | Jun 10, 09
    Yea... It does seem a bit too early for another Left 4 Dead game.
    But if they really feel that strong about it then just don't buy it. Oh wait....
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    VeGiTAX2 since Apr 2001 | Jun 10, 09
    As noted in our coverage, Valve has a history of supporting their titles years after release, a new title doesn't mean anything. CS: S didn't lose support when DoD: S came about. When TF2 came out they didn't cut support on DoD: S, as such it's annoying more than anything that these people are so up in arms.

    Did they get short changed on a game they paid for almost a year ago? Doubtful. I've put so many hours into L4D I don't have room to complain. I've had other games I've paid as much for or more and I've only gotten a fraction of the replay value that L4D gave me.

    People need to realize that sequels are going to come and that it doesn't mean the title they were playing is going to be abandoned just like that. Stomping their feet expecting an entirely new cast and set of levels to come for free is just absurd though. Maybe a new map but even then the Dev tools are now free for people to use and exact their own maps.
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    chautemoc since Mar 2008 | Jun 10, 09
    Gamestop is probably more evil than Valve -- not getting much done there.

    Think I'd have to side with Gabe here -- if they abandoned the first game and/or the sequel wasn't a true sequel, I'd side with the other camp, but as it is, perhaps the announcement should be taken in good stride -- that is, L4D was a great success that afforded Valve the opportunity to follow it up properly, quickly. Not that I don't respect the ire.

    Though it does seem like this is pretty similar to the first game -- maybe it should be paid DLC?
    Last edited by chautemoc :: Jun 10, 09
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    0172 since Jun 2007 | Jun 11, 09
    Are people really being that stupid/stubborn? I'm almost disgusted by it.>_<

    Sure, it may be a little early, but the game looks amazing. I don't see why there should be such a big problem over it. :-P
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    grayfox2 since Aug 2006 | Jun 11, 09
    If you don't want it, don't buy it. Idiots
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    Gussimotto since Jan 2003 | Jun 11, 09
    My problem with it, is that I feel the content that will be included in L4D2 SHOULD'VE been included with L4D, or atleast introduced as DLC. I paid $40 for a game that really wasn't worth more than $20, and now they're expecting us to pay full price for something that is the way L4D should've been from the start. I think this issue is similar to the RE5 Versus "DLC".
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    | Jun 11, 09
    25,000 members as of 9:00pm central (June 10)
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    VeGiTAX2 since Apr 2001 | Jun 11, 09
    quote Gussimotto
    I paid $40 for a game that really wasn't worth more than $20
    YMMV really with any game, if you played it and hated it enough to feel that you didn't get your moneys worth then really what makes you think paid DLC would make that any better? Obviously lack of play / online networking ended up nuking your experience with the game in such a case since there are many with hundreds of hours clocked in on the game and yet 8-10 hours on other titles at higher cost.

    quote Gussimotto
    and now they're expecting us to pay full price for something that is the way L4D should've been from the start.
    Actually they're hoping for consumers to return and buy a product. They expect nothing from them, it's a false statement acting as if they're forcing you to do something when they really aren't and when they've always supported their older games even today. It's like saying DoD: Source was incomplete because TF2 came out with achievements later and then woosh Valve upgraded the engine on the game and introduced Steamworks achievements into the game. I guess it does pay to be selective about Valve's history of commitment to their games though.

    quote Gussimotto
    I think this issue is similar to the RE5 Versus "DLC".
    Indeed, because when L4D2 comes out it'll be a sub 1MB unlock for assets that can't be found in the existing SDK files. Try to actually piece together valid points.

    The petition / boycott itself seems to be fueled by gamers that want to feel entitled about their purchase. Not really my cup of tea, you pay for the product that you get, you don't pay for the product based on potential avenues down the road.
    Last edited by VeGiTAX2 :: Jun 11, 09
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    DeathMonkey since Sep 2007 | Jun 11, 09
    Yeah I did feel the first L4D was pretty small for the price and now they're releasing the second game so soon afterwards. For the £30 I was expecting L4D to last as long as TF2 has, not to be replaced by L4D2. I know they're still going to release updates for L4D but it won't really be the same when L4D2 is what L4D1 should have evolved into.

    I'm still buying L4D2 though, the game does look good. I just hope it'll last longer than the first game did
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    chautemoc since Mar 2008 | Jun 11, 09
    As a single player experience, I could see you feeling ripped off, but the game was always about multiplayer anyway, no?
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    iamjoe56 since Nov 2005 | Jun 11, 09
    I hate people like that. Stuck up little bastards. L4D gave valve such a big success they decided to give the second one pretty soon. Feeling the fans would want that, then they get turned on? Biting the hand that feeds, no?
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    Hellfire29 since Jun 2007 | Jun 11, 09
    If I had a Steam account I would make a group with the opposite view, just to prove to Valve that they should continue with a successful series.
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    Drago Shi since May 2007 | Jun 11, 09
    Gabe Newell cleared everything up anyway.

    That man is a saint.
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    Bill Gates03 since Dec 2004 | Jun 11, 09
    Did Valve pull a Peter Molyneux? haha
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    MrGrimm since Mar 2008 | Jun 11, 09
    What's all of their problems? Valve is one of the coolest game companies ever. They sell some of their stuff for 5 dollars. Has Valve ever proven a disappointment? I don't think so. These "boycotters" are hardly being rational, and aren't even giving Valve a chance to finish the game.

    Petition to remove a game that's probably gonna cost only 10 dollars? Lol, I laugh at that.
    Last edited by MrGrimm :: Jun 11, 09
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    | Jun 11, 09
    joining a boycott group is just nerdy idiots, be they didn't read letters from VALVe like this
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    chautemoc since Mar 2008 | Jun 11, 09
    Grimm: Valve is not Jesus, despite common belief. There are many slip-ups (accidental and intentional) in its history, and unethical business practices. But they do a lot of good, too.
    Last edited by chautemoc :: Jun 11, 09
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    Gussimotto since Jan 2003 | Jun 11, 09
    My argument has been derailed by Gabe Newell's statement about continued support for L4D.
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    B2smoove since Oct 2008 | Jun 12, 09
    What good ole Gabe does not understand is that, he just cut the LFD1 gamers throat. Most of the hardcore gamers will buy LFD2 without question leaving a smaller pool of gamers left playing the original. It will be harder to get a quartet to play with, and soon nobody will play it. You just lost $50 bucks. These games have crap single player so off to Gamestop you go and hope to get 5 bucks once everybody else starts to do the same. You can play Madden 07 right now because it is not dependent on other players, but LFD needs a community. I love Valve but this sucks.
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    George2 since Jan 2007 | Jun 12, 09
    I've read loads of stuff about this boycott L4D2 stuff but I'm still confused.
    "They Don't want it so early" then don't buy it straight away
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    RabidChinaGirl since Oct 2007 | Jun 12, 09
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    | Jun 13, 09
    The one group of people that seems to be missing in most of the comments on the boycott group site and the articles on the web are the server owners.

    As a server owner, I support L4D by paying for 4 West Coast servers out of my own pocket that have had in total roughly 17000 players since they were started 4 months ago. As well, I work for a server company that provides numerous servers for TF2, L4D, CS:S and other Valve games.

    One disturbing trend I have seen is the daily cancellation of L4D servers. Since the 'Survival Pack' the company I work for has seen a 70% increase in server cancellations of servers that service Central North America and the West Coast. That number increases daily.

    The biggest drop was right after the 'Survival Pack' when people began to realize how minor the changes actually were. Most people played Survival mode until they got the achievements and then moved back to Co-op or Versus. We lost 45% of the servers within days of that release.

    The second spike was right after the news about L4D2. That was about 20% of the servers. The other 5% has been just due to attrition since the DLC was released.

    Now, obviously there have been new servers started, but the total loss of server coverage totals about 70% in the company I work for, and I work for a shitty little hole in the wall no one even knows about. In actual numbers that means about 110 servers are now shut down in the past couple months with my employer alone. I wonder how this has affected Gameservers or Darkstar.

    I should mention that most of the people canceling servers have been very vocal about why they're canceling them, and I agree with the majority of their reasons, especially about the release of L4D2.

    So, I pose this question to you, do you think splitting the games community base will increase or decrease the number of servers for both games?

    Secondly, do you think server owners that are canceling their servers will be rushing out to start a L4D2 server after they feel that they've been burned by Valve?

    The answers are pretty obvious.

    All you flame-baiters screaming about the boycott group being a bunch of whining *bleep* might want to think about that, because without the server owners, you'd have no where to play either game.

    As for myself, I don't have any choice but to 'get' the game since it's purchased for me by my employer for troubleshooting and testing. However, I'll be shutting down my servers the day L4D2 is released unless both games can be serviced by a single server and other significant issues about the release of L4D2 are satisfactorily dealt with by Valve.
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    | Jun 13, 09
    Wow. That's probably the most well thought out response I've seen on most of the forums. Good point Hyper.
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    | Jun 19, 09
    Both sides are sort of a non-issue now.

    Modders are apparently planning on porting the maps from L4D2 to L4D when it comes out for those who don't want to buy the new game.

    They can write config files to emulate the Director 2.0 and use the included props and textures from the SDK (which contains most of the necessary files even as a beta).

    The only things missing will be the crappy music, slack jawed yokel survivors and the new gimmicky SI.

    Sounds good to me. I only want new maps, the rest of the 'repainting' of the game to make it seem 'new' is just window dressing.
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