Cool...this will suffice until other technologies eventually replace this...

Wow just think of all the...

" and to beat someone to the punch, I'll be the first to mention the XXX side of the Internet."


...crap =(

You could download the whole internet to one of those drives in a few years!!!

Micah, I just read this article of yours and I must say that I like the sound of the upcoming technology. However, I want to point out some details regarding the idea that you suggested, specifically making a RAID 0 array of eight 2TB drives. That would result in 16TB of storage but there would be no fault tolerance. This means that if a single drive fails, all the data across all the drives would be irrecoverable. This is the reason that RAID 0 is not commonly used. The best configurations would be RAID 3 (data striping with dedicated parity and parallel access), RAID 4 (data striping with dedicated parity and independent access), or RAID 5 (data striping with distributed parity) in that they create 14TB arrays with 13TB of usable storage with fault tolerance, fault tolerance being the main purpose of using RAID arrays. RAID 5 is the most common of these three options.

If RAID 0 is used, I strongly recommend having a backup system that is used on a frequent basis, such as a nightly backup routine (full backup once a week and incremental backups all nights at a minimum) or a live backup system such as the Seagate Mirra Personal Server (Seagate bought out Mirra nearly two years ago), especially when the technology is initially marketed. As we all know, new technologies tend to be prone to failure. Thus, to protect the data against drive failure in a RAID 0 configuration, a well-administered backup routine would be necessary.

Well Cillchaoi, I personally don't like RAID configurations. However, those people who do dabble with RAID will commonly start with A RAID 0 just to boast of a multi-terabyte system.

Yes, striping and mirroring is important for data farms and large cooperations who want to protect their data, but most home users don't expand further into levels of mirrored RAID 1, 0+1 and or striped RAID 5 with some RAID 1 for mirroring.

Fortunatlly, HDD MTBF (Mean Time Between Failure) rates have never been lower, so data loss is a once in a blue moon occurrence.

Just having a 16GB drive C: sounds cool!

Oh, and the stupid 1024 bye versus 1000 byte formatting difference, we can't forget that unavoidable loss.

Micah,

Being in the business of computer sales and repair (as I have owned my business since 1989), I have seen an increasing number of home users who have used RAID 0, RAID 0+1, and other configurations (even RAID 5) and have had the unfortunate duty to inform these people that when one hard drive died in their array (if lower than RAID 3), everything was lost. This is why I made the point in my post above: I wished people to be aware of the problems with the aforementioned RAID configurations since you brought up RAID 0 in your commentary on the emerging storage technology.

As for Mean Time Between Failures, you actually want a high number, not low, but I understood what you meant. I shall point out one other thing, which is that in the past two years, I have bought two brand new hard drives (one Maxtor IDE and one Seagate SATA2) that died within 24 hours of installation. Admittedly, immediate failure is not the norm but it does help to demonstrate that failures are not something that can be pooh-poohed away either. Thus, as I said, backups are always a good idea, whether one is a home user or a corporate businessman.

About the comment regarding 1000 versus 1024, that is not a fault of the format but, rather, the way that hard drive manufacturers advertise the size of the drives. If one reads the (limited) documentation that comes with the hard drive or that is available at the manufacturer's website, one will find that the literature says that they measure a megabyte to be 1 million bytes and a gigabyte to be 1 billion bytes. The computer measures it out correctly to be 1,048,576 (2 to the 20th power) for 1MB and 1,073,741,824 (2 to the 30th power) for 1GB. Thus, a 500GB hard drive, as advertised, would actually be 465GB according to the computer.

Well, because you own and operate a computer store it is normal for you to see failed components on a regular basis. I may not see many people with broken arms but a doctor at some hospital will.

And no need to quibble over the semantics of bit counting in the industry and in the OS. It's like monitors with an advertised 21" screen which in reality have a 19.7" viewable area.

Hmmm, as I recall some people had tried to sue manufacturers for that under the guise of mis-leading and or false advertising.

Still, I've had some HDD's running for 4-6 years (always on, either seeking or sleeping) with not a single cluster lost. I did have an IBM DeathStar HDD grind its head into the platter after 90 days. But on average, HDD's do have a pretty long life span now.

Yes, on average, that is true. My point, though, which remains true and has been what I have been stating all along, is that backups are recommended, whether one is using standalone drives or drives in a RAID 0, 1, or 0+1 configuration. RAID levels 3, 4, and 5 have fault tolerance built in so that the failed drive can be rebuilt on the fly once it has been replaced. Therefore, RAID levels 3, 4, and 5 may be backed up for redundancy but is not as necessary as the other mentioned configurations.

Commenting on the issue of viewable as opposed to full physical CRT size and the attempted lawsuits about that difference has no bearing here. Once again, you made a comment that contained information that could mislead people: your comment seemed to imply that people were "losing" storage space because of the format applied by the OS when that was not accurate. I was only bringing the accurate information to light.

Further, you are correct that I see more failed components than a typical end-user since I am in the technology sales and service business but that does not mean that failures do not happen and that they are not a matter of concern for the wise user. As any technology professional can tell you, backups are recommended for everyone to protect against data loss. The issue is not if it will happen but, instead, when. If one uses computer technology long enough, a hard drive failure will occur. The laws of averages will catch up to the user eventually, whether it be sooner or later.

Mean Time Between Failures is a measurement of that average as tested in an accelerated test environment. The mathematical definition of mean is all values added together divided by the number of values in the list. Nowadays, MTBF is measured in hundreds of thousands of operational hours but that means that one test could have a result of 2000 hours (about 83 days) and another have a result of 198,000 hours (22 years 220 days) resulting in a mean time of 100,000 hours (11 years 152 days).

Thus, as drive failure is unpredictable (though SMART technology helps to alleviate that), backups are recommended to protect data (documents, pictures, digital home videos, etc.) that one does not wish to lose.

Micah, their is something you should know. Fortune favors the prepaired. Now if you run a Hard drive set up with NO failsafes, you WILL have a failure, and lose everything. Also, newtons law, Evrything in the universe tends towards entropy. IT is true you know.

Basically what you have said so far is that nothing will happen if you are careful. You can be a carful driver, and still have an accident. Nothing is ever certain, you keep treating matters as if they are.

I believe at this point it is time for you to sit back, read what Cillhaoi has said, and reconsider. This is one issue you are not going to be right on, trust me.

As for the Bit counting remark, I have got to refute that, even I know better. If you do not state technical issues like that correctly, you may cause someone who does not know this issues well, astray.

iamjoe56,

I never said that HDD's don't fail; most last a very long time and a few will drop clusters in mere minutes. Furthermore, I had never denounced the option for people to use striped RAID arrays, I had simply written that 'imagine 2TB drives? Try 8 in a RAID0 array for 16TB worth of whatever you want.'

It was Cillhaoi who decided to elaborate and split hairs over what was simply a colorful statement. Yes, people should protect their data.

As for the bit counting remark; I was responding in context to the previous post by Cillhaoi who had remarked that you will have reduced capacity with any form of RAID redundancy, as you will with the 1000 vs. 1024 bit count issue. Such a simple comment with no expository explanation cannot lead astray.

If I tell you that 'The sky is blue.', is that enough to endow you with the new knowledge of the refractive index of Earths atmosphere or the wavelengths of light with the electromagnetic spectrum.

Context young man, learn to remain within the context of a conversation.

Micah,

If you were not advocating the idea of a RAID 0 array, why mention it at all? You could have made the same claim of eight 2TB drives giving 16TB of storage without mentioning RAID 0 (though it would not have sounded so “cool” since it would not have used technological buzzwords). By specifically mentioning RAID 0, you seemed (to a typical end-user) to recommend its use. Many end-users know the term RAID has to do with data integrity but do not understand the complexities of it, such as the different possible configurations. Thus, a typical end-user could believe, based on your perceived recommendation, that buying lots of drives and putting them into a RAID 0 array could give them enhanced data storage and data integrity without the need for backups, killing two birds with one stone. That is not the case and is to what I commented and why I gave a full explanation of RAID 0 and its downfalls in response.

You are correct that Mean Time Between Failure measurements nowadays are much higher than they were back in the days of MFM, RLL, and ESDI. Back in the late 1980s and early 1990s when these technologies were most prevalent, MTBFs were typically about 10,000 hours (about 1 year 52 days). Nowadays, as I pointed out previously, MTBFs are measured to ten times that number. MTBF is still only a statistical average and is not to be taken as a prediction of actual time of failure for any individual drive. Backups are still recommended by all professionals because of this fact.

As for the comment about “splitting hairs,” I shall say that I am not splitting hairs but, rather, providing more information than you did and correcting some errors that you made in your article as well as your comments thereafter. In any professional publication, one must write as if someone who knows more about the subject matter will read the material because, invariably, someone more knowledgeable will read it. This is what seems to be happening here (though I cannot say the definitively since I do not know your background; I know only mine). I would advise you to make sure that you have all the information correct prior to publishing your articles.

The “1000 v. 1024 bit [it should be byte rather than bit] count issue,” as you said, in your one-line comment, was a “formatting difference.” That seemed to imply that you were under the mistaken impression that it was an issue of the operating system rather than an issue of human usage of the term as opposed to the true definition of the term, especially when you concluded it with “we can’t forget that unavoidable loss.” You did not mention anything about RAID levels in that one-liner, so trying to say now that you were intending to make a comment on RAID is unbelievable. Once again, your words could make end-users who have a lack of knowledge believe something that is not true, an error that I discussed and corrected with factual information.

Yes, RAID levels 3, 4, and 5 will lead to a loss of 3TB of storage in an array of eight 2TB drives but that 3TB of loss gives reliability and redundancy. A failed drive can be rebuilt on the fly by the array once a new drive is installed. Further, in RAID arrays such as those I mentioned, a hard drive failure does not incapacitate the computer in which they are installed. Instead, the machine stays up and running as if nothing is wrong but, instead, displays a message stating that a certain drive in the array has failed. With RAID 0, which you advocated in the original article, that is not the case. Instead, all the data would be lost unless one had wisely made a backup of all data. Further, this would cause a greater loss of time because all programs and the OS would have to be reinstalled before the restore was able to be performed (unless someone just happened to have another 16TB of storage just lying around for a total image backup by the means of Norton Ghost or something similar).

Now as for your analogy about “the sky is blue,” once again you make an error in trying to draw your analogies, as I pointed out in another article discussed a few days ago. If you wanted to draw a proper analogy for the discussion of formatting difference, it would have been more like saying, “the sky is blue because air is blue.” That is not accurate but, to the typical layman, that would appear to be the case. If this were a scientific discussion, I could delve into this and explain the facts but that is not what applies here.

Finally, you have said that Joe should keep his comments in context. Reviewing his commentary, I see nothing that is out of context in regard to what he said in response to this conversation, especially to what you have said yourself.

concluded...

Micah, I think that, generally speaking, you have a good head on your shoulders but it seems apparent to me that you need to be more careful about the information that you present as well as the manner in which you present it. From what I can tell, you have been tasked to write articles about technology. The articles themselves should present the facts, not your opinion. I would suggest that you save the professional opinions for the follow-up comments or for a weblog (blog is the commonly used term for those who do not know the full term). The personal opinions (such as “the stupid 1024 bye [sic] versus 1000 byte…”) should be withheld. To present personal opinions such as those shows a lack of professionalism, something that detracts from NeoSeeker’s public image as you are a representative of them in the public eye.

"you will have reduced capacity with any form of RAID redundancy".

That is presicely why my comment was well within context, and perfectly fair. It seems it is you who do not understand the concept of "context". Also, the sky has presicly no bearing on this conversation, thusly, that part was totally OUT of context. Second. You NOT mentioning the fact that a RAID configuration with any type of redundancy would reduce capacity, would lead some people astray. Very true not knowing your storage amount would not cause major problems, but such habbits like putting forth misleading information could lead to a much more serious blunder later on. My Main point is, putting forth untrue facts, is very misleading and dangerous (in a few extreme cases). And Secondly, do NOT try to flaunt your intelectual "might" over me. I am just as smart as you are, brain cell for brain cell. If you refuse to treat me as an intelectual equal. Then I will treat you in the same fashion.

That did not work last time, and will not work this time. Simply learn to accept GOOD advice, and try to verify your information before placing into one of your articals.

Iamjoe56

I place facts in my articles, researching every single one as I write. It seems however that you and Cillchaoi are splitting hairs and dissecting whatever I write to try and cast some error within to make yourselves feel better.

If I were to take your advice it would constitute dropping my IQ by 30 to 40 points to match yours.

Go to college and university for 11 more years. Study physics, chemistry, biology and neurology in the science departments. I have experience and education in all of these fields.

Study psychology, literature and writing in the arts department. I've done that too and am likely going back to university in the next few months for a course in social psychology and writing.

Then study some engineering, electronics and trades (I'm also a mill wright and cabinet maker who can wire a house, plumb a house and have rebuild 8 car engines in my time despite not having a car or drivers license.

In fact, why don't you graduate high school first. Or better yet, print this out . . .

http://www.neoseeker.com/news/story/7080/

Take that to school and show it to your English teacher (or do they call the study of language down there American, believing it's their own unique language). Take it to your debate club, having them put aside their quibbles of soy versus alfalfa crops and read it. Show it to your mother, or father, or the sister of yours you'd rather kill than look at. Ask them who conveyed themselves in the more articulate fashion.

Unfortunately, some of those people might be of the Blue State type; pick-up tuck with a shot gun rack in back rolling down the road while a tattered sicker of an American flag peels and fades from their rear bumper.

Perhaps we should simply invite some of the other readers of Neoseeker to read your profile . . .

http://www.neoseeker.com/members/profiles/iamjoe56/

Don't worry, I saved it for posterity.

Quite simply put; you're just an average C- average kid with a big chip on his shoulder because the world doesn't bend over backwards please you due to you. It is likely silent realization that you aren't nearly as smart or successful or attractive popular or strong as you believe yourself to be and therefore must belittle others from afar to make yourself feel bigger at home.

Go shoot some pop cans with your buddies and groan about how much of an idiot I am according to you.

You know, Micah, I lost respect for you in many of our discussions, lost even more when you plagiarized an article written by someone else and tried to pass it off as your own work, but what you did just recently in regard to your comments against Joe takes the cake.

Not only have you no ethics, you also seem to have no professionalism. It is completely out of line for you to make such attacks against someone else in such an undignified manner! This, combined with plagiarism, should have you suspended immediately, pending termination. You are projecting a very negative image for NeoSeeker and I pity the company if they permit you to continue your association with them.

The least you could do to help redeem yourself is offer a public apology to Joe for going so far out of line and calling names.

As for what I have said in regard to your articles, I shall say that I have done so to provide facts based on the fact that I am a Network Engineer with 15 years of experience under my belt as well as 13 professional certifications and a PhD. Further, I have experience in the medical field, practicing law, and clinical psychology. During my years in school, I studied astronomy, physics, chemistry, geology, psychology, sociology, theology, archaeology, and biology.

I may not be your age (as I do not know your age) but I have as much experience as you (if not more). I also shall say that I am a much more honorable man than you appear to be. Your actions show your character. You will notice that I have never once called you names but you continue to do so.

Take some advice: step away from the keyboard now and cool off. When you come back, make the apology that I suggested earlier in this post and reveal some integrity.

Micah,


I see you finally couldn’t take it. Your pathetic ego, your pathetic vocabulary. You disgust me. Your level of intelligence is so infinitely under mine that you must resort to insulting my intelligence, my abilities and me personally. You seem like flaunting your smarts. Your great schooling. You are none of what you say, you possess no honor, nor do you have the slightest inkling of just how immeasurably in articulate you are. I attribute this attack on me to your complete and utter inability to defend yourself in an honorable debate. I regret to inform you that you have no IQ at all. Only a fool insults people like you have just done to me.

With your unwillingness you let the Virginia tech issue go, you have show a complete lack of morals and a complete lack of intelligence. By Dreading up my profile, you have shown that you are willing to use any measure needed to prove to YOURSELF, that you are smarter. I must say, however, that your profile is light reading indeed. I find your flippant remarks to be completely out of context, sir, and in which case you have shown yourself to be a fool and a bigot.

By bringing my own family into this issue you have show that, indeed, you must never have had a mother. You have never been taught the ins and outs of social etiquette. You have no grasp of anything beyond your ego, nor your wants or needs. You exist in a small world called “Micah”. And I must say it shows.


As for me graduating high school. Perhaps you could do the same sometime? I see your claims of higher learning, yet you prove NOTHING. If you are so smart, and so worthy, why do you need to pick on children? Why do you circumvent all honor or decency and resort to a ad homonym attack? Does it hurt so much that a 16 year old is smarter? Does it hurt so much that you feel you must resort to basic instincts and lash out against me? Why? I have not insulted you yet. Besides I hardly think you should consider yourself so high and mighty. Consider your act of plagiarism in your IBM article. Then think of just why you are getting mad. Being “badgered” by a teen is hardly anything to get upset about.

Finally I bring to your attention the fact that you can prove, precisely NOTHING of your education. How am I to know that you are not someone who lives in California who can’t even tie his own shoe? Sure you spell well, you may believe your verbal flaunting come across as sheer brilliance. But the fact remains you have stooped to a low beyond the longest ladder. You have shown me nothing but distaste and vile hatred. I ask you, why? Am I so bad a problem, so much a thorn in your side, that you feel the need to act as a Juvenile? Isn’t that stooping to “my level”?

You have made a great mistake in underestimating me. Do you not think that someone can have a spelling problem, yet still be smart? And what is this about being articulate? You are hardly one to talk, as many of your articles display a keen grasp of nothing, and a sly witty feel that reminds me of a slugs slimy touch. Nothing about you is great, sir, you only disgrace yourself by assaulting me in this way. You only bring a vale of stupidity upon yourself by becoming so angered as to lash out like this. You only display your complete, utter and total LACK of intelligence by trying to humiliate me. I say to you, sir, that you have done nothing but amuse me to no end. I roll on bath in your undisguised anger, and I freshen up with your attempts at intelligence. I feel free as a bird knowing that I have won. You showing nothing but the traits of a fool.

On the final note, I tell you this. If you ever again insult me so directly again, you will truly understand what the definition of “Intelligence” is, you will also understand the true meaning of “honor” more over you shall learn the definition of “restraint”. I say once more, NEVER insult me likely again, or you shall find out how flawed you are.

Okay, your red neck has scared me into submission.

Graduated top 20 of my class with $2000 in scholarships.

And you haven't stooped by calling me an idot?

I never did that to you, you simply did that to yourself.

You haven't won anything and neither have I. I've remained civil but came to to the point that I felt that this little brat name Dave needed to get smacked upside the head and told to grow the hell up.

Hmmm, bitter because your big sister kicked your ass one too many times when you were younger?

Oh, class of 780 or so.

Micah,

It is not the size of the class that matters but, rather, the amount of class that one has. Admittedly, some (many) things that Joe has said are not what I would call appropriate or professional but, then again, he is a 16-year old boy, not someone who is supposed to be in a position of professionalism and who is touting himself to be a mature adult. You need to get yourself under control, apologize to the boy, and probably seek some counseling for whatever may be causing you the stress that you have pent up inside you that is causing you to act out in this manner.

When I was 16, I was in school and taking career preparation in psychology and counseling. Gave it up for private reasons.

I've dealt with kids before like him. You know, the ones with parents who place little or no reatraint upon the children. There comes a time in everyones life when they have to realize that they're not the center of the universe like Dave believes himself to be.

I realized that in my early teens.

Have you?

Micah,

I am assuming that, as the rest of your latest comment here was aimed at me, the "Have you" query was also but I shall not address it since it is nothing more than an attempt to rile me and I will not permit you to do so. I shall say that I see quite well that you have a number of emotional issues that need to be handled and those are evidenced by the inappropriate and very out-of-line attacks on Joe.

As for your education, I am glad that you have as good of an education as you have stated. However, that does not excuse your actions. You have acted very immaturely and extremely unprofessionally. You need to own up to your actions and apologize to the boy. Yes, he owes you an apology too for saying some of the things that he has but the greater burden is upon you because you are the adult and the one who is supposed to be in a professional position here.

Then I humbly apologize to Dave; aka iamjooe56. I though that perhaps I was having a intellectual conversation with one of the visitors to the site who decided to insult me when he simply didn't agree with me.

Yeah, he's a kid, but that doesn't absolve him of any wrong doings. And what happens in two years when he becomes an adult?

Yes, Dave, I apologize. I kept my dignity about me for as long as I could, but it your excessive insults and derogatory comments that pushed me to that precipice.

Unfortunately, I would wager that he will never do so. I would ever wager to that affect.

Place your bets.

Micah,




The definition of intelligence: The Ability to exercise mental functions

The definition of Honorable: Worthy of honor.

The definition of Restraint: To hold back from acting, proceeding, or advancing.

The definition of Brat: An objectionable child.

Quoted from the Webster dictionary.


Now. I told you you’d learn the meaning of those words, shall we review them? Intelligence, The ability to exercise mental function. Restraint: To hold back from acting, proceeding, or advancing. Brat: An objectionable Child. Honorable: Worthy of Honor.


I must say, they fit, but certainly not me. Rather you, Micah.

My first piece of evidence! What, Micah is an “idot”? This covers the issue of Intelligence, Micah.

My second piece of evidence!” Don't worry, I saved it for posterity.” (Quoted Micah, from his inflammatory post.) This hardly constitutes the remark of an adult! More of a 7 year old who hasn’t had his nap! That fits in with Brat, mind you Micah, just so you can keep up.



My Piece of evidence to prove Micah’s honorability…oh wait there is none. Moving along.

Evidence to support restraint…oops nothing their either.



Well Micah, again you have proven your complete lack of each and every trait above. Except being a Brat, in which I must say, you pass with flying colors.


I told you Micah, do not insult me again. To refute you remark on me “And you haven't stooped by calling me an idot?”

No I had not, not until you stooped lower by attacking me in such a way as you did. In what way does your post above Cillchaoi’s and mine show restraint? It does not. Micah, sir, you have truly messed up this time. Your foolishly hotheaded remarks let me win, and you very well no it. I did win, and here is why.


You, sir, stooped to an Ad Homonym assault on my person, my being. While in previous posts, I had done no such thing. Why then does that justify an openly stupid remark such as “And you haven't stooped by calling me an idot?”? As for my language skills, Again, you are hardly one to talk, and “Idot” is none existent, you must again learn to spell. You are falling very quickly, my friend, and at the bottom is only failure, humiliation and the eternal marking of a dunce.

As for Slapping me upside the head, is that child abuse? I am afraid if you are intent on doing such, I will notify the local police of you, and have them handle the issue. As for growing up, isn’t the immature who resort to violence? Isn’t it the class idiots, the class clowns, or the mentally challenged, or even the Ghetto dwellers who lash out with such heinous acts of violence?

My, my, Micah, you seem to be getting mad. For shame, such anger is not befitting an adult of your obvious intelligence. Another piece of evidence that hardly befits your intelligence “reatraint” . What IS that? This language of your is so smart! So full of intelligence! I must learn it!

Now, Micah, I seek nothing less from you than an apology for taking this entire discussion so far out of context that I can’t even see the article! I merely asked to be treated as an Intellectual equal. You are the one who brought this upon yourself.

Again, it is wholly shameful of you to bring my family into matters. Have you no Honor? Oh wait, I proved the up above.


http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/24801/t992419-bleep-yes/


Hmm…if my parents do not put restraints on me, that could never be me in that thread.

Micah, I say to you once more. I do not enjoy being insulted, something you have openly done many times, while I have never exercised any true insults upon you, excluding my response to your earlier remarks. You are playing the same tune, over and over, you continue to try and get me angry, yet you continue to fail. I feel heartily sorry for you, because you lack the insight to know when your are beaten. Just back away, let it go. I am willing to.

Actually, I'm laughing at everything you're writing.

Intelligence: I displayed mine by accurately predicting that you would continue with your ranting, never to consider laying down arms.

Honor: I apologized, exactly what an honorable man does, you did not, a sign of honor on my behalf and a lacking of yours for yet another flippant response.

Restraint: Your last post goes to show that you have little to none.

Brat: An objectionable child; your profile says you'd rather kill one of your sisters than look at her. A joke? The truth? What? Brattish?

Read back Dave. I had treated you like an adult and you decided to call me an idiot because my view of guns doesn't align perfectly with yours.

I apologized and you haven't, you want to feel like you won when neither did, your showing a lacking or restraint and honor and intelligence and brat like behavior by constantly insulting me when I have been simple conversing with you as an equal.

Honestly, take your foot out of your mouth and grow the hell up. If you act like this when you turn 18 someone will smack you senseless and you'll have only yourself to blame for that.

Hey, I won the bet!

Micah,

It is good that you offered some form of apology but you negated it by your snide remarks at the end. Doing so removed any honor that you might have gained from a true apology. Your last post above contained more immature and inappropriate remarks, further degrading yourself in the view of the public.

I suggest that both you and Dave/iamjoe56 offer each other true apologies, stop the name calling on both sides, and deal with the facts.

You both have intelligence but both are letting your emotions run high and shut off the bloodflow to your brains.

Both of you have erred but you, Micah, have the greater burden of responsibility as you are an adult. It is not unexpected for one who is still considered a minor and, thus, a child to act out his emotions but an adult, as you are, should have better control of himself than what you have been exhibiting this evening.

Micah,


Show me one place, sir, that you have treated me as an adult, just one. Your apology is nothing, as you all but nullified it with your closing remark in that post. As for my little sister, you mean to tell me you have no siblings? If you do not, then kindly leave my ENTIRE family out of this Debacle, my little sisters are my own business, and frankly have completely no bearing on this thing.

Your Honor is useless to me, you have shown me that, you are the only one who is unwilling to let things be, to believe the fact that this thing is over, and you came out on the less than favorable end. You, sir, are the one who has shown no intelligence, predicting that I would not let it go is a no brain type of guess. Seeing as you again have insulted me. I must say, sir, you have displayed a shocking tendency to completely ignore facts, or reason even. In what way, then can you possibly claim intelligence, honor, restraint or any other virtue found in most any adult. Why must you continue to make such a fool of yourself? I clearly stated that I was willing to let this go. Yet again you insult me by telling me I have little to no honor.

How dare you even presume one micron of intelligence? When even in the face defeat, for lack of a better term, you continue to act as though you are from a family of Burroughs? I Find a steadfast belief in what one says a admirable trait, but even more so, is the ability to act as a man should. Have you no inkling of how slippery a slope you now stand? One the one hand you can end this with a “I am sorry” NOT followed by a insulting remark about my in ability to grow up. On the other hand, you can continue to fight back, and continue to slip. It is now your choice Micah, end this NOW or continue to be foolish.


You also seem to have ignored the thread I posted. So am I to assume you fear anything that is not the truth you perceive? Tell me, Micah, why do you have to keep going? It certainly isn’t because you think you’ll win, or because your intelligent, perhaps your Ego? Does it sting that badly, that I keep refuting your every attempt to insult me? Does it?


What happens when I comment nicely on another thread, will you again turn it into an Ego match? Will you again make it your personnel vendetta to humiliate me? Why is you seek solace by trying to pick on me? Why? Instead of one of your foolhardy and dodgy posts that never touch upon the matters or questions I have brought up, why not show some integrity and answer me?



In what way does your in ability to do anything but look DOWN upon me constitute treating me as an equal? I fail to anything equal in that! I offer one last chance for you Micah, just let it go, now. If you back away, I shall do the same. If you again post a response that continues to insult me, I shall continue to give it right back to you.

Ummm, up until shortly after the post where you asked if I was an idiot, or do not remember that?

Wait, someone else is writing this for you, aren't they. I can quite see the change in literary voice. Better use of puncuation, the use of new words, it's all quite apparent.

But to touch upon those definitions you (or your ghost writer) have offered . . .

Intelligence: It's obvious I have intelligence as do you. Your writer does as well.

Honorable: Of higher morality and ethics also applies for definition. Is it honorable for you to call someone an idiot?

Restraint: I show more with my now simplified posts that ask you if you can see that defining yourself as honorable or intelligent or in restraint doesn't mean you are. Again, show this thread and the other to one of your teachers and ask their opinion on the subjects at hand and who has displayed a greater level of maturity.

Brat: Funny, I never used that word. If you truly see yourself that way of have had people call you that before then that is your own private issue. But to reiterate, I never called you a brat. Red neck yes, brat no.

I don't look down upon you but rather saw you as an individual to have an engaging digital conversation with. I have answered you and apologized to you, unfortunately you seem incapable of any measurable maturity in the matter. If you would post upon another thread I would respond politely and within the context of the thread in question. But if you were to ask if I am an idiot I would be compelled to respond in a mature yet defensive tone.

I say this now to to insult you but to enlighten you; GROW THE *bleep* UP ALREADY!!!

Yeah, you're a kid, some 16 year old boy muddling his way through puberty, hell bent on his hormones and drowning in narcissism for the lacking of the experience and wisdom that age will bring you in your years to come. If you were to poll or canvas 1000 people with this and the other thread (maintaining objective amenity as not to skew the results) you would have the overwhelming majority of those people say that iamjoe56 is being a jerk whilst MicahWrites was the better man for all but that red neck comment (which I apologize for).

Yeah, you're a kid, but your a human being too, and I honestly have nothing against you. You seem to want to engage in the proverbial 'Pissing Contest' with me when I only wished to engage in enlightening conversation.

Yeah, you're a kid so some tolerance for your attitude is forgiven. But I still laugh at your retorts and look forward to the next response your friend or sibling or whoever they are writes for you.

Micah,

You claim that it was Dave (aka iamjoe56) who first attacked you in this article and called you an idiot or made some other ad hominem attack before you started to berate him with your vile words? He made two posts prior to your initial attack in which you claimed that you would have to drop your IQ by “30 or 40 points to match [his].” In the previous posts he made, he stated only that you had erred in some of your statements and assumptions and that he expected you to treat him as an intellectual equal. He did nothing to insult you prior to that point. He was having an intellectual and productive discussion with you until you decided to start making unprofessional and inappropriate attacks on him.

The war of words that you initiated came from your post dated September 13th at 12:35AM. It was only after you took off the professional gloves that Dave started to respond in kind. As they say, you get what you give. His return fire was delivered at 1:41AM. You cannot claim that he took the first shot because, as can be seen quite clearly, you are the one who fired first.

As is obvious in your articles, you do not check your facts as thoroughly as you should prior to making your posts. I have suggested several times that you sit back, relax, and recompose yourself but you refuse to do so. You let your emotions get the better of you and, as such, say things that are quite inappropriate for someone in a professional position. To be quite frank, if I were your supervisor, I would have fired you for your actions much sooner than now. I would have put you on notice after the first attack that what you said was inexcusable and necessitated an immediate and public apology with nothing further being said. However, after continued attacks (and especially in the light of your plagiarism of another article), I would have fired you without further ado.

You have shown yourself to be without restraint, without ethics, without honor, and without a complete regard for professional behavior. You should be held accountable by your supervisor and by the Editor-in-Chief (Howard Ha).

Micah,



I have found you to be a lying, vile individual. You try to place blame upon me when, indeed, it was you who started this entire problem, with the following statement. :“If I were to take your advice it would constitute dropping my IQ by 30 to 40 points to match yours.” (Quoted Micah from post number 15.)

This is the opening insult, Micah. You called me an Idiot, in all senses of the word. Up till then, I had played a neutral part, taking part in a friendly discussion over a subject. Yet you tell ME that I am the aggressor. Indeed sir. What a bucket of lies! I have not found such a slithering snake as you among the fires of hell! You seek to lay blame upon me, yet you are the only one responsible for my initial retort. Up until the point that I asked to be treated as an Intellectual equal, you were very polite indeed. But once I asked to be treated like what I was, you snapped. Insulting me in a most vile way: “brat name Dave” (Quote Micah from Post Number 18)


Your words are permeated wit ha sickly slime and coated with nothing but lies and deceit. You, sir, are nothing more than a vile, heap of steaming Bovine Excrement whose stench permeates your very words! You have told nothing but lies, you apology was followed by a forked tongue insult, and even a wager! That is no reply. The only Immaturity I see here flows from you as a rivers does a mountain.

You, Micah, Disgust me. You simply have no grasp of reality, no idea how truly idiotic you are. You insulted me over a simple and honest request to be treated as an equal, and not a dumb child. You are the one who showed precisely no honor, by delivering the first blow. And this is by no means a “pissing contest” oh no, you couldn’t compete with me on that, as you have no manhood! You have NOTHING. You have only served to completely and utterly humiliate yourself in the public eye, by do directly attacking me while I had done no such thing to you.


“"you will have reduced capacity with any form of RAID redundancy".

That is precisely why my comment was well within context, and perfectly fair. It seems it is you who do not understand the concept of "context". Also, the sky has precisely no bearing on this conversation, thusly, that part was totally OUT of context. Second. You NOT mentioning the fact that a RAID configuration with any type of redundancy would reduce capacity, would lead some people astray. Very true not knowing your storage amount would not cause major problems, but such habits like putting forth misleading information could lead to a much more serious blunder later on. My Main point is, putting forth untrue facts, is very misleading and dangerous (in a few extreme cases). And Secondly, do NOT try to flaunt your intellectual "might" over me. I am just as smart as you are, brain cell for brain cell. If you refuse to treat me as an intellectual equal. Then I will treat you in the same fashion.

That did not work last time, and will not work this time. Simply learn to accept GOOD advice, and try to verify your information before placing into one of your articles.”


My post #14 on this thread. In what way does this provoke you to a defensive action? I never called you and “idiot” “fool” or any other such insult. Yet in you next post, you clearly insulted me, very much so out of the blue.

“Micah, their is something you should know. Fortune favors the prepared. Now if you run a Hard drive set up with NO fail safes, you WILL have a failure, and lose everything. Also, Newton’s law, Everything in the universe tends towards entropy. IT is true you know.

Basically what you have said so far is that nothing will happen if you are careful. You can be a careful driver, and still have an accident. Nothing is ever certain, you keep treating matters as if they are.

I believe at this point it is time for you to sit back, read what Cillhaoi has said, and reconsider. This is one issue you are not going to be right on, trust me.

As for the Bit counting remark, I have got to refute that, even I know better. If you do not state technical issues like that correctly, you may cause someone who does not know this issues well, astray. “

That is both my posts prior to yours, number #15 on the story. I never insulted you.



This is all I have left to say. You, Micah, Represent the most disgusting slime of the earth as I have yet seen, unfit to even chew on the dirt that falls from my heal. You are not worth my time, effort or even my words! there is nothing left for you to do now but go climb back into your muck covered, slime filled hovel, and rot away. You are nothing, worthless and totally inane. I leave you now with my best regards, hoping that you will, one day, understand your limits.

Oh yes, and no one is typing this for me. I am actually this smart. I know I cannot prove it, but I care nothing about it now you have proved to stupid to prove anything to.


--Dave

iamjoe56

Your third post here

http://www.neoseeker.com/news/story/7080/

States 'Micah, you're an idiot'. I guess the person writing this for you never read that. Certainly your can see how the grammar and poise of the last 4 posts in this thread that were made under your handle have changed from previous posts in both this and other threads.

Cillchaoi is right, you just a kid. Kids can be so funny sometimes

Cillchaoi

http://www.neoseeker.com/news/story/7080/

His third posting asks if I am an idiot because my personal view on firearms doesn't parallel his.

If one were to read that thread they would come to see that he was acting in quite the immature manner, or as he might put it, like a brat.

Yeah, he's just a kid, I'm laughing at all of this, he's likely plotting my demise and cursing my very name simply because I don't agree with his stance on firearms.

He's just a little boy that boasts of his own honor and brilliance and maturity by slinging insults and calling names.

Just a little boy right now and for several more years to come.

Micah,

Geez! You made some ridiculous statements prior to that which were both uninformed and foolish. The definition of an idiot, which is the context in which I am sure Dave meant it and the context in which I perceived it, is "a foolish or stupid person." (American Heritage Dictionary) Since foolish is part of the definition and some of what you said prior to his query fit that parameter, the question was not an attack or name-calling but one asking if you fit that qualification. There is no tactful way to ask someone that question, so all he could do was present it plainly and then reveal some further information.

Yes, he could have avoided asking the question if he had practiced a bit more tact. However, I shall say that your attacks against him have shown much less restraint all along than what he has done against you. Further, involving ad hominem attacks against his family is completely over the line and inexcusable. Not once has he said anything against anyone other than you and he has done so based on what you have written. He has never once made any attacks of a personal nature as you have done to him. Yes, he has gotten involved in using some terms such as idiot (such as I previously discussed) but you have referred to him as a Blue State redneck, for example, and that is completely inappropriate.

You have crossed the line all too often and your supervisor should reprimand you for such unprofessional behavior.

Oh, one more thing, Micah. You make claims against Dave for slinging insults and names but boasting of his intelligence and honor. Look at you: you have done the same thing while boasting of your intelligence, education, experience, and integrity. If that makes him a "little boy" as you have put it, what does it make you? This is some food for thought.

You need to be mature and act your age. You are older than he is presumably and you need to start acting as a mature adult. You will notice that I have not yet made any attacks on you or have responded to any baiting tactics that you have used against me. I have only countered your arguments with scientific fact and, when needed, applied proper counseling and psychology.

Honestly, you get what you give. I have always been polite in responding to posts on Neoseeker, but if someone were to lash out simply because they do no agree with me or anyone else, perhaps they deserve to get what they've so brashly given.

If David wants to apologize he may, but likely will not. He'll simply have his ghost writer form another response for him.

On an added note, I never once insulted you in any manner. Yes, I responded with accuracy and dignity to all of your posts. You however feel it necessary to denigrate me as an individual simply because you don't agree with me or because you take pity on young David.

You may apologize if you like, but likely never will.

Micah, I have not attacked you and if you take it that way, then I am sorry. I have only seen the term in the light that Dave meant it and tried to explain it. However, you have construed his words differently. Maybe you are interpreting what he meant correctly and I am wrong: maybe he did mean it as a direct attack based on the connotation of the term rather than the denotation. If so, then he is in the wrong and he should answer for it.

However, the point is that you have many reasons not to respond as you have. First, you are an adult, so you should know how to act maturely. Second, as a mature adult, you should know how to keep a handle on your emotions. Third, you are representing this site as a professional. On all three counts, you have fallen short. It is because of your actions that I have no respect for you. That is taken even further when you refuse to accept further factual information that is injected into the conversations by someone who knows at least as much about the topics at hand as you do.

You have acted completely inappropriately and that is why I bring this to your attention and ask you why you act in a similar fashion to Dave. If you got into an argument with a 5-year old kid who started throwing a temper tantrum by storming through the house and pounding his fists on the floor, would you act the same way or would you be an adult and try to reason with the child? From your actions of name-calling and making ad hominem attacks on Dave's family members (who are not even involved in any discussion that you have had with Dave) when he has never gone so over the top as you, you are showing that you would act like that 5-year old child.

As I have said many times, you need to step away from the keyboard for a little while, calm down, regain your composure, and begin acting in a dignified and mature fashion. If you wish to show Dave how adults act, then start acting like one.

And perhaps you should stop trying to control everything around you. It is apparent that you do have control issues with others and I would hope that you wouldn't treat those people in your life or the customers of your business with such disrespect. If someone asks you a question about a subject they know nothing about do you instantly boast of your own intelligence and education to feel superior to them? You'll likely read between the line of that inquiry and interpret it as an insult when it is simply a question.

Contextually speaking, you wrote first that I show myself 'to be without restraint, without ethics, without honor, and without a complete regard for professional behavior.' The suggestion that I require counseling. How would you interpret that if someone said that to you? Is suggesting that an adult is akin to a 5-year old a compliment?

I've simply reciprocated with a modicum of defense after being verbally blasted by you and David (iamjoe56), and I'm wrong for it. I post a reply to another readers comments and you choose to dissect every word in some vain and egocentric attempt to prove me wrong an d portray yourself as right.

Sorry if I ever insulted you in any way Cillchaoi, but there have been more than enough instances where you could have been a little more socially graceful yourself. Matter of fact, I looked back and found that I never called you names or questioned your intelligence. You've questioned mine numerous times however.

And this isn't meant to add fuel to what you and Dave believe is a fire, but it is certain that neither of you will offer any reconciliation in this or the other thread in regards to what words have been shared.

Is this a statement of pride or of fact; I've apologized. Neither of you have. Does that not go to show who is the more intelligent, responsible, mature, honorable and all around better man who is showing all measures of restraint above yourself and young Dave.

Micah,

I have offered commentary on the articles that you have presented, offered additional information, and you have tried to attack me by saying that I was in error with the facts I showed or that they had no bearing. Further, I have pointed out to you that you have plagiarized another's work. Beyond that, you have made ad hominem attacks against Dave again and again and again and now seem to be trying to do the same against me. Do you consider any of these actions to be ethical, honorable, professional, or showing restraint? Unlike Dave, who does respond in kind to attacks (and started it by being the first to use the term idiot, whether he used it by connotation or denotation), I do not respond to such. Instead, I offer you some free advice and some tips for how to handle yourself better.

I am not trying to be in control. I am only trying to help the situation and calm things down. However, you, for whatever reason, do not seem to take kindly to the advice. So be it. As I said in the email I sent you when I made you aware of the fact that you committed plagiarism, you may take what advice you wish and leave the rest.

You are correct that suggesting that an adult is akin to a 5-year old child is no compliment but it was not an attack either. It was a characterization of the actions that you have taken up to this time. As you have a background in psychology, you should see and understand this.

Regarding counseling, it seems that, even though you pursued psychology and counseling while still in high school, you seem to take the suggestion that you need to speak with a counselor as an insult. That is not the case. Rather, everyone on occasion needs counseling. In my case, in the past, I had problems with my anger. I went to a counselor to gain control over my anger. Until I did that, I acted out with screaming, yelling, slamming doors, calling names, and so forth. However, since that time (about 20 years), I have learned how to handle my emotions much better. I am not saying that you are any worse than anyone else by suggesting that you need counseling. Rather, I am saying that you are equal to everyone else.

Finally, the apologies that you have offered to Dave have been only in words because you issued further attacks in the same breath. If you were truly wishing to offer an apology and call a truce between you and Dave, you could have done so. If you did this and resisted making further attacks against Dave and then he continued to attack you, you would be showing that you were more mature than he. You would be obtaining the upper hand. Once again, free advice.

What is WRONG with you people? There was no reason to complain or argue here! All you had to do was comment on the point of the article but you decided to point out some stupid flaw in a suggestion that was simply an example as to how the improvement in technology could improve our HDD space!

Cillchaoi and Iamjoe56, you people should take some happy pills or something to stop you starting these pointless rantings that ruin the comment page for everyone.