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Fat Princess sparks controversy
Sean Ridgeley - Monday, August 4th, 2008 | 10:26AM (PT)


Who let those feminists out?

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There's been this controversy over this PSN game called Fat Princess, see. One of our contributors over on GameGrep described the title best: "[a little game] where you can thwart capture attempts by locking the once-thin princess in a dungeon and stuffing her full of cake, thereby increasing her girth and making her harder for your enemies to haul back to home base."

Well, feminists don't like it. Melissa McEwan on Shakesville sardonically states she's "positively thrilled to see such unyielding dedication to creating a new generation of fat-hating, heteronormative [jerks]."

"Mighty Ponygirl" of the Feminist Gamers blog offers an alternative to the game's premise:

"Instead of running out into the forest to find cake to fatten up the princess with, why not go out and find gold (which is a lot heavier than cake) to stuff into a treasure chest. The more gold in the chest, the heavier it would be, and the harder it would be to carry. Oh, but that's not as 'cute' as cake and fat chicks. Right."

Meanwhile Abby McVay of Slashgear says: "It couldn't possibly be that it's just an innocent game, and you women are just looking for the latest and greatest thing to [complain] about." As you can probably predict, I like that one.

Feminists suck the life out of everything. At a fundamental level, I have nothing but respect for it, but every experience I've had with a feminist has resulted in them blowing things way out of proportion. I'm with musician PJ Harvey on it, who has held a similar stance on feminism over the years:

"I wouldn't call myself a feminist because I don't understand the term or the baggage it takes along with it. I'd feel like I really have to go back and study its history to associate myself with it, and I don't feel the need to do that. I'd much rather just get on and do things the way I have been doing them."

"I don’t ever think about [feminism]. I mean, it doesn't cross my mind. I certainly don’t think in terms of gender when I'm writing songs, and I never had any problems as the result of being female that I couldn't get over. Maybe I'm not thankful for the things that have gone before me, you know. But I don't see that there's any need to be aware of being a woman in this business. It just seems a waste of time."

Play the game. Laugh at it or ignore it. Everyone's happy.

(Note: Destructoid writer Jim Sterling did a great article on this himself. Check it here if interested).

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August 4th, 2008 1:01PM(PT)
RabidChinaGirl
Feminists do good work. To be honest, women's issues isn't a dead thing, though that's not to say all women should have to think about it. To each his or her own, yes, and despite the absurdity of the controversy surrounding Fat Princess, I think people are simply using it to feed their pre-existing prejudice towards feminists. The same can be said about those who make a stink over racism in Capcom's RE5. Silly to most of us, yes, but these people exist because there is a need for them. Back and forth belittlement really doesn't get us anywhere.

Respect begets respect.
August 4th, 2008 2:11PM(PT)
SUPREM_KITE
i guarantee if it was called "fat prince" no one would be offended it is just a game just because the girl in the game is fat doesn't mean you are and your not the center of the world nor is any one else get over yourselves and woman up. my god.
August 4th, 2008 2:24PM(PT)
THM
Does "Feminism" really matter in videogames in the twenty-first century?
August 4th, 2008 2:47PM(PT)
bruceleethree
kite hit the double standard nail on the head.
August 4th, 2008 6:52PM(PT)
iamjoe56
This is so *bleep*. Feminists might serve some purpose, but I sure as hell don't see it. All I see is them bitching again because some Japanese company came up with a fun little game. I think they need to just go and sit in a goddamn corner and lick the wall or some such shit.
August 5th, 2008 3:28AM(PT)
riiaku
This just proves that feminists have entirely way too much time on their hands. They have nothing better to do then to find something to b**ch about. Have you ever been to a feminist rally, my god, I can see why they are pissed off all the time. They are FUGLY. They are just angry that society does not find them attractive so they have to take their frustrations out on society by attacking everything that they perceive to be insulting to them when its created by men. They need a hobby.
August 5th, 2008 9:35AM(PT)
VeGiTAX2
quote iamjoe56
I think they need to just go and sit in a goddamn corner and lick the wall or some such shit.
quote riiaku
Have you ever been to a feminist rally, my god, I can see why they are pissed off all the time. They are FUGLY.
It's a bit amusing in the sense that we have two equally absurd scenarios (RE5 and Fat Princess) as noted by RCG and what seemingly gets the more negative response?

Both groups in these cases are working on equal extremes. Why isn't everyone channeling the same hate to both issues though? I guess it's easier to look like you're bashing women instead of bashing racial groups though right?

Things like this are pointless, fueling the fire of the groups is all they want so they can get the media play and news out there and then gain strength off of it by being "edgy" in the eye of the news.
August 5th, 2008 2:10PM(PT)
iamjoe56
quote VeGiTAX2



Both groups in these cases are working on equal extremes. Why isn't everyone channeling the same hate to both issues though? I guess it's easier to look like you're bashing women instead of bashing racial groups though right?
Oh how trollish of you. Seriously, if you have the time or patience to go read that Article on RE5 racism, I was there too, and I gave it just as much 'hate', as you put it.

And why exactly, does bashing a FEMINIST group [ I prefer to call them Feminazi groups] mean we are bashing WOMEN in general?

I bash them because of the absurd reasons they get lit off. So how about next time you think about stuff before you start talking brown mush?
August 5th, 2008 2:57PM(PT)
VeGiTAX2
Odd I don't recall you telling anyone to

quote
sit in a goddamn corner and lick the wall
in the RE5 bit at all. I guess I should go scan through that to see where you mirror the attack sentiments the same since all that I saw was you injecting an overall distaste for the situation being absurd.

I fail to see how I was being trollish given that I'm not the one making overly hateful comments about a minority population of a group generalizing the whole lot for the sake of a lack of actual understanding of the what a feminist group can entail. It's like someone bashing Christians as a whole for the acts of a few extremists and trying to write it off as ok.

I'm not siding with the extremists I'm merely pointing out how simple it was for people to get their torches and pitchforks out compared to the other article.

How about keeping the general tone of your posting down and these things get avoided as a result? Laying down flamebait isn't doing you any favors right now.
August 5th, 2008 3:04PM(PT)
RabidChinaGirl
@ iamjoe56, Vegi didn't say you were bashing women "in general." Please read his statement more carefully. He simply meant that you find an easier time bashing Feminists BECAUSE they are women.

I feel that this controversy, since it began, has received a lot of unfair criticism. Not even criticism, but flames. I think perhaps when people make statements about how fat and ugly Feminists are, they are in fact CONFORMING to the expectations of those Feminists, who no doubt foresaw this backlash as a very typical response from a chauvinist community still dominated by men.

I would argue that as Feminists, it may be best for now to stick with fighting the more typical view of female physical beauty seen in games, that being the tall, busty, impossibly proportioned babe firing bazookas in a bikini outfit. Or the women who border on prepubescent in appearance for pedo-appeal.

Unfortunately, everything I say, well thought out as I try to be, falls on deaf ears, as evidenced by the sort of comments these articles about the Fat Princess fiasco have earned. When reporters themselves begin adopting that same patriarchal sentiment in the article, it truly becomes a journalistic tragedy.

August 5th, 2008 3:11PM(PT)
iamjoe56
So I am generalizing all women now? Wow. I had no idea I was doing that! I said they can go sit in a corner and lick the wall or some such shit, yes. But am I talking about all women? No. I mean the Feminist groups.

Also, getting out the torches and pitchforks IS much easier with feminist groups. Here's why, anything they get in a fluster over is, about 99% of the time, something so pitifully small or stupid you cannot help but go after them.

Racism, on the other hand, is not something pitifully small and stupid. It is a REAL issue and not some stupid ass perceived 'insult'. It also slightly more sensitive than some game about a fat princess.

Next argument please?
August 5th, 2008 3:16PM(PT)
RabidChinaGirl
I would perceive women's rights as a "real issue," actually, especially as a woman. Race and feminism often cross paths, as anyone in either field of study will tell you. But race can still entail extreme chauvinism, and that breeds even more problems.

You claim these feminist issues are easily dismissed because I think you do not fully grasp the importance of such groups. I don't want to get on a soapbox about this, but that is my stance. Whether or not you agree with the Fat Princess issue should not cause you to dismiss an entire group and their work.
August 5th, 2008 3:39PM(PT)
iamjoe56
What is your definition of 'Women's rights' then? Because in my eyes, Feminist groups [the extreme type] that go after EVERYTHING that could be REMOTELY be construed as anti-feminine, are the ones i go after.

This game for example, seriously, what the hell. it is groups like that I right off. And for the record, i do think womens rights are something important, however, I also feel there are limits that should be in place because, to be perfectly frank, sometimes a women SHOULDN'T do what the men do. [front line soldiering anyone?]

Also, I don't think Vegimite meant it is just easier to bash women. I read it as meaning I was generalizing all women.

I mean what is:
quote vegitax2
It's like someone bashing Christians as a whole for the acts of a few extremists and trying to write it off as ok.
Is that supposed to mean? Certainly not that it is just easier to bash women because they are women.

August 5th, 2008 4:23PM(PT)
RabidChinaGirl
For the sake of keeping this from spiraling further out of control, I am going to do something I normally would not: recommend Wikipedia as a viable source of knowledge.

Feminism & Women's rights
August 7th, 2008 2:23AM(PT)
DeathMonkey
Ok, let's just clarify that iamjoe56 is not flaming feminist groups in general but the ones that make ridiculous claims like in this article and considers racism to be a bigger issue than the sort of issues the feminist groups pointed out in this article.

Personally I don't think woman's rights are as much of an issue today as some groups are making out, atleast not in the UK.
August 8th, 2008 3:19PM(PT)
OmegaFury
I totally believe in equality, but I don't like it when some groups want things to be unbalanced, where things would favor them- in this case and in RE5 (I already brought up my case regarding RE5, so I'll go into a bit on how I feel about this one). I never seen any group argue about Jade Empire, where you kill a fat guy by persuading him to eat his own harmful cooking. At least the Fat Princess gets some yummy cake that *won't* kill her. I wish that people were more like Martin Luther King Jr., who wanted things to be good for every one, and not just for a specific race, gender, or group. That is the only reason why I don't exactly like feminists- they only want what is best for women. Now if there was some kind of group of people who want the best interest for both male and female (regardless of race of course), then I'd support their actions. Maybe there are some feminists who want to bring women up to par with men and not over, and who want the best for both genders. But as of now, I haven't had the pleasure of meeting one.

However, I will give all of the women this one- why the bloody hell is fattening up a princess the main objective of the game? That's kinda stupid if you ask me...

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