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Sunday Special: "Nintendo, You Bore Me..."
Lydia Sung - Sunday, November 30th, 2008 | 4:52PM (PT)


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Sunday Special:

I'm not going to start laying out all the hard facts because people will play what they play, love what they love regardless of what others say.  And there's no need to argue which consoles are better because they appeal to different people, as we've come to realize.

Now I never thought the Wii was a bad console.  I was actually quite drawn to its white and blue scheme, compact design (looks like my cable modem) and affordability.  In fact, the Wii allowed me to better appreciate the Xbox 360's white and green motif.  But I was never the kind of person to dump money without a second thought, especially when price tags run in triple digits, but the console wars were upon me.

So what happened?  Two years ago as I was debating this gamer's dilemma, craving something new to fill that void left behind by completing Okami and Shadow of the Colossus, I saw an ad for a holiday rebate for an Xbox 360 Premium (they hadn't been renamed "Pro" yet).  The rest, as they say, is history.   Numerous friends did invest in a Wii, and I was able to experience the novelty of its motion sensing play, with Wii Sports being the greatest draw.  Cute, really, but what else was there?  At the time, there wasn't much.  Not that it mattered because I had Gears of War and my first "next-gen" console to keep me preoccupied.  Truly, the bright colors and bloom effects of Viva Pinata were astounding for my virgin eyes.  A month or so after the Wii launched, I purchased an Onyx DS, then scoured the lands for an appropriate protective cover of adequate quality.  Even then, popular DS colors were difficult to come by, meaning retailers sold out before new shipments had time to come in -- unless you were looking for Coral Pink.  I never stayed up late a few times following the legal adventures of Phoenix Wright while my 360 sat by silently.  Yeah, that lasted for about a month...

I don't like console stereotypes because like any other stereotype, they can hinder judgement and turn people into blubbering idiots, but it's no secret that Nintendo holds greater appeal to the masses, evidenced by their widespread success over the two more hardcore platforms with their smaller demographics.  But novelty gets old, doesn't it?

Considering Nintendo is still doing all right by themselves and are getting ready to launch their new DSi in North America and Europe next year, it appears that people really aren't getting tired of whatever gimmick the Japanese game company still has up its sleeves.  Who else gets away with selling millions of games that feature the same characters, same storyline, and same aesthetic?  No, I didn't mean Koei.  No, not Square Enix either.

I personally don't consider the Wii to be a direct competitor for the Xbox 360 or PlayStation 3 because its fanbase is just too different.  I can't look at the Wii's collection of titles and bring myself to even compare them with the ones Microsoft and Sony now fight over for exclusivity.  No, Nintendo has placed their toy console in a league of its own.  But then we begin to consider the issue of time.  There is now a Wii sitting in my living room, where it was left for safekeeping by a relative who is out of town for a few months, and I admit I've been considering purchasing a game or two to try.  Those No More Heroes trailers certainly looked tasty.  Hell, chances are I'd find more titles to pique my interests if I bothered looking for them, but for working adults or anyone with responsibilities beyond gaming, there may not be enough free time for two consoles.

Handhelds are a whole 'nother story.  While you can argue that the DS, like its larger cousin, was made for a different breed of gamer -- the casual kind -- its success has no doubt held back the PSP a bit more than Sony would like.  Sales have picked up, but even non-gaming companies are seeing the beauty of handheld entertainment.  Phones and MP3 players now offer games as well, and though they aren't very advanced (or pretty), they keep people amused just enough.  Let's not forget Apple's aggressive marketing, claiming time and time again that their iPhone is the future of portable gaming.  It's working, actually, because I am ashamed to admit that during my two week trip to Taiwan, I didn't touch my DS once.  Instead, I was absorbed by Hexic on my Zune.

So beyond convincing you to purchase their machine, companies also need to ensure that you, the consumer, remains open to the various games they plan to shove down your throat afterwards.  That is where the Wii and DS lose me, and from what I've heard and read, many other gamers as well.  This only drives back to the sad question of whether Nintendo still cares about their loyal gaming following, or if the profits from those casual markets are getting in the way.  Have corporations ever stuck to loyalty when given another golden opportunity?  I'm not planning to get a DSi when it arrives in the US, but what's one less sale to those guys?

I'm not going to dismiss the Wii nor its little handheld cousin.  I've simply forfeited to the fact that I am simply not one of Nintendo's target demo(graphic).  While I grew up with an SNES and had a Gameboy Color to me occupied the first few years of high school, both remain in storage with my PlayStation 2 for purely nostalgic reasons.  I've heard countless complaints about Nintendo's inventory of hardcore titles, but does it matter when fans are willing to swallow their pride for the sake of brand loyalty?  I would guess not.  Maybe when my Xbox 360 finally breaks -- been over two years, but no doubt it will happen someday -- I'll look into some Wii alternatives while the great lovable brick is being shipped to Texas for repairs.

On another note, Neoseeker launched its Neoseeker Blogs this week.  Users must have 50 forum posts on our site in order to start their own Neoblog, but they really are a lot of fun for the Neoseeker community.  With them comes the question of whether I should move my Sunday Specials to my blog or keep them on the front page?  Some say these weekly editorials are kinda blog-esque, after all!

Edit The move from front page to blog isn't a sure thing yet.  I'm asking readers out of courtesy, but the Neo staff is getting their input too.  We'll see next Sunday what happens.

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    chautemoc | Nov 30, 08 | quote
    I wouldn't say the DS is strictly casual -- but I would say to really feel satisfied by it, you probably have to be an RPG fan. Aside from that there's a few good action titles (Bleach, Metroid, Hotel Dusk, Dementium, etc)..but yeah, it probably gets overshadowed by the giant pile of crap that comes out every week. I think Nintendo and its library this generation is akin to a forum without moderation...

    The line between these specials and blogs is pretty blurry, so tough call. But you could use that to further refine them, if you chose to stick with 'em, or think of something altogether new. I enjoy them very much, but I suppose it doesn't matter too much where they are.
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    Cheesysoapopra | Dec 1, 08 | quote
    The massive amount of rubbish titles that come out for wii and DS every month or even week are just companies trying to cash in on Nintendo's money printing machine. However, if you look at Nintendo's own first and second party titles, they are some of the best in their franchises, and some are considered best of all time or of the genre. If there wasn't so much crud coming from the third parties I have a feeling you wouldn't of wrote this "Sunday Special".

    On a side note, I wish you would stop using Neoseeker's front page as your own personal blog, and get back to just news like it used to be.
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    RabidChinaGirl | Dec 1, 08 | quote

    It is a shame, to be sure. I've played a lot of these "rubbish titles" and they're a terrible waste of everyone's time. It's really hard to take the platforms seriously with so much shovelware. But there's a market for some of those games, especially if they're of the "educational" variety... cooking, math, etc. Even with the DSi coming out soon, they're still putting out such titles. I hesitate to dismiss them completely because there is an existing market.

    The decision to relocate the Sunday articles has been nibbling at my mind for a bit. I've been leaning toward moving them to the blogs myself actually. Thanks much for the input. =)

    Sean, I think I may take your advice, and reserve the specials for ideas that are more solid. The rest may become a weekly blog update.

    At most, the Sunday articles are an experiment we decided to conduct some months back, thus subject to change. A bit like, hmm.. market research. I think I knew from the beginning it'd undergo some change or another eventually!

    Edit The move isn't a sure thing yet. I'm asking readers out of courtesy, but the Neo staff is getting their input too, and these articles aren't exactly for my own benefit (purely). We'll see next Sunday what happens.
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    gerard way owns you | Dec 1, 08 | quote
    The WII will be the downfall of Nintendo. I'm sure of this. These new ads for Animal Crossing further my suspicions. They have stopped catering to younger players and hardcore gamers, and instead are focusing on a middle-aged to senior-citizen demographic, I have seen this in ads for both Animal Crossing and that Wii Music game. Nintendo is going to end up JUST LIKE SEGA. And it will be sad to see it.

    Nintendo has really let me down with the Wii, as I have said before, they should keep to making GAMES for the other CONSOLES!
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    HornetSting | Dec 1, 08 | quote
    I'm sorry but this article was just about as boring as most nintendo games. I kept reading and reading through the maze of words back and forth and back again hoping to find some point to it all but alas, no magic flute. Lots of text, not much story.
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    Noraf45 | Dec 1, 08 | quote
    I have to agree with Cheesy, you can't blame Nintendo because everyone else is trying to cash in on the casual craze. Sure, Nintendo has released a few of it's own casual titles like Wii Sports, Wii Play, & Wii Fit, but the've also been bringing the classic series for the hardcore crowd, like Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Smash, and Mario Kart. The problem is that the third parties look at the Wii as a cash cow to throw half-assed generic copycats of minigame collections onto for a quick buck. They're the ones turning their backs on the gamers and shoving crap down our throats for a quick buck. If the 360 was on top, they'd all be pushing their shovelware onto it. In fact, Microsoft has been trying to rebrand its console as a family friendly console with casual titles. How is that rewarding it's faithful? "Thanks for supporting us and playing Gears of War and Halo, but we're going to copy the other guy and start bringing you minigames using cute avatars" Las generation, the PS2 was the console of choice for shovelware because of it's enormous installed base. What needs to happen is the third party developers need to start designing hardcore titles for the Wii. There's no reason you can't release a quality FPS or RPG on the Wii. Maybe the graphics are slightly lower, so what? If the gameplay is solid and fun, that's all that matters. Furthermore, they don't need to use the motion controls if they don't want to. They have their place, just like the touch screen on the DS. A lot of games don't use it or use it sparingly. You still have just as many buttons, along with multiple controller types that you can use without requiring people to use the motion controls.

    Sorry for the rant.
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    vicsrealms | Dec 1, 08 | quote
    I wouldn't say the Wii is the only system lacking. XBox360 and the PS3 seem to be littered with FPS games, while those are better played on the PC. Shoot, I buy more PC games than I do the other systems. I have a total of 4 games for the newer consoles, most of the games like Fallout 3 I purchased for the PC.

    As for the Wii, its just a gimmick that doesn't work very well. Sure Wii bowling is fun and all, but as primarily an RPG fan, I'm disappointed in Nintendo. They used to be the best system for that area of gaming.
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    gideon | Dec 1, 08 | quote
    Gerard - Interesting you would say they will end up like Sega. Sega's problem was the exact opposite of what you describe, they focused on core gamers and advancing the state of the art as fast as possible and put little on the table for anyone else. Core gamers aren't a big enough population to keep the bleeding edge alive and advancing rapidly. As a result, their profit margins remained slimmed and that combined with niche sales numbers did them in.

    Nintendo isn't going anywhere because their business model is superior to the other console makers. It's funny people complain about the "same old characters and story lines" because my complaint about the other two consoles is it's the same old game play. I mean sure, you can take a first person shooter or real time strategy and give it a new storyline and characters, but guess what, you've still played that game a billion times before. Nintendo advances game play and that's what gamers like myself look for.
    What everyone calls a "gimmick" on the Wii will equivalents as standard features on the next gen consoles of the other two.
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    RabidChinaGirl | Dec 1, 08 | quote
    quote Noraf45
    Sorry for the rant.
    Your rants are normally substantial. I thought you might comment.

    My main issue is with the shovelware, the third party fodder I hear about almost daily as opposed to those more substantial titles in between.

    Honestly, I don't mind people don't like what I write. Sometimes people need to read something that upsets them to be driven toward action. Kind of like poking your dog when you're not sure if he's asleep. If I were afraid of readers' fury, I wouldn't be writing these opinionated pieces. Most of the time there is no real point except to give an agitating poke and hope to start a discussion.

    A lot of the comments that come with these Sunday articles, whether positive or negative, are much more substantial than the ones we normally see.
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    Noraf45 | Dec 1, 08 | quote
    quote RabidChinaGirl
    quote Noraf45
    Sorry for the rant.
    Your rants are normally substantial. I thought you might comment.

    My main issue is with the shovelware, the third party fodder I hear about almost daily as opposed to those more substantial titles in between.
    What's this? Does my reputation precede me?

    I will admit that there is a lot of shovelware, and it does bother me simply because it detracts from what should be a fantastic console. I'm not ashamed to admit that I've been a Nintendo fanboy since day 1. I've owned every console and handheld made by them and still have each of them hooked up (I even have a Virtual Boy somewhere in storage at my parents' house). Don't get me wrong, I enjoy games on other consoles, and own a couple of Sega's old boxes and a PS1 and 2, but I had to put up with so much hate through the N64/Gamecube days that it really gets to me now that Nintendo's back on top and I still have to put up with it. I really just want to see developers make an effort to make good games that don't rely on "gimmicky" controls that tend to be rushed and ruin the experience. I've always thought the Wii would be prime for FPS games because of it's control style. Instead, it winds up with the Wii Zapper and a handful of on-rails arcade shooters or cheap spin-offs of well-respected franchises. Now, I'm not actually a fan of FPS games, I own only a handful and don't play them that much, which is why I have no real interest in anything Xbox, but I use them as an example because 90% of the time, when people talk about "hardcore" games and gamers, they mention games like Halo, CoD, and Gears.
    Also, I wasn't really disagreeing with you, I just wanted to redirect the Wii's failures away from Nintendo, and to the 3rd party developers where it belongs.
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    RabidChinaGirl | Dec 1, 08 | quote
    quote Noraf45
    Also, I wasn't really disagreeing with you, I just wanted to redirect the Wii's failures away from Nintendo, and to the 3rd party developers where it belongs.
    I should have been more clear on that. I am quite annoyed with such companies for putting out half-assed titles on the Wii rather than taking advantage of it's "gimmick" control. I have a lot of trouble using it actually, usually need to hook up the classic one... but that's beside the point. The biggest example in my mind are probably Force Unleashed, Tomb Raider, and the Soul Calibur hack n' slash on the Wii right now. Now we're going beyond the typical stuff you'd expect as far as shovelware goes, but there've been complaints about the first two mentioned and I'm convinced the devs simply put them out on the Wii as an afterthought, without giving the console any special consideration -- which is should have because it's not the 360 or PS3. The Soul Calibur hack n' slash was absolutely terrible. It's like the devs just implement waggle for the hell of it and leave the rest of the game (gameplay, design, aesthetic, etc.) to a band of monkeys, hoping gamers won't notice. Reviews for Castlevania Judgment have been terribly disappointing as well, and I can't say I feel any urge to try it out for myself. Playing these games or hearing what reviewers point out, you get the feeling that devs just don't care about the Wii or take it seriously enough to put any effort into making a kick ass game.

    I know the first Red Steel was supposedly crap, but I'm glad Ubisoft has admitted their mistakes. Ubisoft's reputation for innovation is promising, and I think they're really trying with that franchise. They've stated as much, commenting on the unique opportunity the Wii provides them... mainly the chance to try something new.
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    Cheesysoapopra | Dec 1, 08 | quote
    quote gerard way owns you
    The WII will be the downfall of Nintendo. I'm sure of this. These new ads for Animal Crossing further my suspicions. They have stopped catering to younger players and hardcore gamers, and instead are focusing on a middle-aged to senior-citizen demographic, I have seen this in ads for both Animal Crossing and that Wii Music game. Nintendo is going to end up JUST LIKE SEGA. And it will be sad to see it.

    Nintendo has really let me down with the Wii, as I have said before, they should keep to making GAMES for the other CONSOLES!
    Nintendo, just like every other company on earth is here to make money. Obviously there strategy this generation is working better than anyone would think. One doesn't HAVE to buy the rubbish games on wii, just like one doesn't have to buy the rubbish games on any system. Animal Crossing and Wii Music are two games, theres still the fairly hefty pile of great first party games that they have already released that are still selling extremely well. Mario Kart Wii for example has hit the 10 million sold mark faster than any game in history. Explain how Nintendo, the longest running company of the 3 big gaming giants will fade to almost nothing? After selling around 83,000,000 DSes, and 34,500,000 Wiis, I think they have the equity and money to easily market whatever they want. Sega lost its ability to compete in the hardware and first party market because of their poor business decisions with releasing and developing consoles.



    As for taking advantage of the wiimote... Only a few third parties have done it right, but Nintendo themselves have nearly mastered it on the titles they release.

    I always hear talk of Nintendo rehashing their franchises; but isn't that what the other companies do? Plus, I certainly love when I get to play the next iteration of something I loved to begin with.

    inb4 blatant fanboyism claims. I am primarily a PC gamer, I own a PSP, PS3, DS and Wii.
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    Noraf45 | Dec 1, 08 | quote
    Once again, agree with Cheesy. Also, I totally agree with you, ChinaGirl. I don't understand why the Wii was not given a port of Soul Calibur 4, and why they threw that god-awful spin-off on it. Fighting game companies should know by now that making brawlers out of their fighters doesn't work. MK Mythologies, Death by Degrees, and now Soul Calibur Vomits in your Face (or whatever the title was, I'm sure it was something like that) are all testiments to not try to cross genres in that way. I haven't heard much on Red Steel 2. I was really excited when I first heard about the first one, but then was disappointed like most people. I think that some game companies are slowly coming around though. Has anyone been paying attention to Tatsunoko vs. Capcom? or Muramasa: The Demon Blade? Or Arc Rise Fantasia? Those look to be top-notch hardcore games coming out soon on the Wii. Plus, Tales of Symphonia is coming out soon. I hope that the Wii can re-establish Nintendo as an RPG powerhouse system.
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    RabidChinaGirl | Dec 1, 08 | quote
    quote Noraf45
    Has anyone been paying attention to Tatsunoko vs. Capcom? or Muramasa: The Demon Blade? Or Arc Rise Fantasia? Those look to be top-notch hardcore games coming out soon on the Wii. Plus, Tales of Symphonia is coming out soon. I hope that the Wii can re-establish Nintendo as an RPG powerhouse system.
    JRPGs don't interest me too much. It's not a gameplay/design issue though, just personal beef with cultural portrayal of characters, especially women. Anime-aesthetic is also a downer for me, unless it has some twist to it. I didn't care much for Tales of Symphonia (perhaps for the listed reasons)... yeah, I know, I get a lot of weird looks when I say that, especially because I liked the old Tales of Destiny.

    You're right though, Tatsunoko vs. Capcom could be a good one. Memory lane an' all.

    Of course, I'm still looking forward to trying No More Heroes. I also rather like the Trauma Center titles, except that I keep freaking out under the pressure, so I won't actually be buying those...

    Hmm, if only we could get readers this involved in all our articles.
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    Livewire_19 | Dec 1, 08 | quote
    I say keep the Sunday Specials here. You might loose a lot of readers if you move it. And they are some of the most interesting stories on Neo.
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    Cheesysoapopra | Dec 1, 08 | quote
    quote Livewire_19
    I say keep the Sunday Specials here. You might loose a lot of readers if you move it. And they are some of the most interesting stories on Neo.
    Seems completely out of place to use the front page of what used to be strictly in house news, links, and reviews, for basically a blog style post about what you feel about something.

    By no means do I think its a worthless post, I just feel it belongs in a more personal section than the front page.

    As for getting involved with posts... Because you wrote your personal thoughts and ideas about something, makes it an opinion, and people love to give input towards (for and against) other's opinions.
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    RabidChinaGirl | Dec 1, 08 | quote
    quote Cheesysoapopra
    Seems completely out of place to use the front page of what used to be strictly in house news, links, and reviews, for basically a blog style post about what you feel about something.
    There have been mixed reviews about the opinion pieces, but it was not purely my own decision. It started as a test, and the staff encouraged it -- I assume because of reader response, whether pos/neg being another matter.
    quote
    As for getting involved with posts... Because you wrote your personal thoughts and ideas about something, makes it an opinion, and people love to give input towards (for and against) other's opinions.
    Pretty much, which a few of my, ah-..elder co-workers thought would give readers something to gnaw at on Sunday, a typically slow day. I stated as much above...
    quote RCG
    Most of the time there is no real point except to give an agitating poke and hope to start a discussion.
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    L0GIN SLAY3R | Dec 1, 08 | quote
    Completely unrelated to the general discussion, but I would give No More Heroes a try, I beat it and it was pretty fun so long as you can look past some noticeable technical problems (the main city is kind of laggy and the graphics are not the best quality, and I am not referring to the art style.)

    Related to the discussion, while the wii does not have loads of awesome hardcore titles, the ones it does have usually get an award. LOZTP got GOTY 2006 over Resistance and GOW, and Super Mario Galaxy got Adventure game of the year and runner up to GOTY (despite how awesome SMG was, it could not sink Bioshock xD)

    Before you call me a fanboy, I own both a 360 and a Wii.
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    Russ | Dec 1, 08 | quote
    quote gerard way owns you
    The WII will be the downfall of Nintendo.
    Nintendo has really let me down with the Wii, as I have said before, they should keep to making GAMES for the other CONSOLES!
    Yeah, thats why I see stacks of PS3's and XB's in the stores and nary a Wii to be found. Why sell 1 million units to hard gamers when you can sell 10 million to everyone else. Wii's are for those who want to get off their behinds. And I will not pay $399-$499 for a PS3 no matter how great it is.
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    Jarhead255 | Dec 1, 08 | quote
    Nice article Lydia. And I have to agree, the reason i haven't considered a Wii [aside that the motion sensing turns me OFF] is because there aren't any titles that really appeal to me on it.
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    gerard way owns you | Dec 2, 08 | quote
    Random, but I think that is the most times I have ever been quoted, I feel special!
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    L0GIN SLAY3R | Dec 3, 08 | quote
    You are special gerard. Very, very special...xD
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