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Creative Labs prevents guy from making better Vista drivers
Kevin Spiess - Monday, March 31st, 2008 | 11:26AM (PT)


Forums explode in outrage; people toss sound cards off of buildings

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You've probably seen this happen in hardware or game forums before: the company behind the forums does something that upsets the user base, and people chime in, saying how they will never buy so-and-so product again. Well this happening to the extreme right now, on the forums of sound card, speakers (and other things) maker Creative Labs.

The public relations fiasco started just this last weekend. A man who worked on drivers for Creative sound cards as a hobby was known to be a savior of the community: unlike official Creative releases, his Vista drivers actually worked. So people loved him; his forum name was Daniel_K and legions of Creative card owners would thank him, after using his drivers, after having numerous troubles with Creative's own releases. Personally, I own a Sound Blaster X-Fi, and never had any troubles using it in XP; but judging from time spent in Creative's forums, their Vista drivers were substandard in many cases, preventing many customers from fully utilizing their sound cards (or using them at all, for that matter.) In a perfect world, you would think that Creative would have been happy to have a dedicated smart guy working on their drivers in his own time -- but this is not a perfect world.

Phil O'Shaughnessy, the VP of Corporate Communications for Creative Labs, sent a letter to Daniel_K, asking him to refrain from posting, or working on, his drivers anymore: "...we are asking you to respect our legal rights in this matter and cease all further unauthorized distribution of our technology and IP." Mr. O'Shaughnessy cited legal obligations that prevent 3rd parties from working on their drivers, because they contain code that is licensed from other companies.

Daniel_K agreed to not work on the drivers anymore.

Then the forums exploded.

In a matter of a few hours, propelled to the public's eye thanks to news aggregates such as Digg.com, legions upon legions of Creative card owners chimed in. Most signed up to the forum just to say how they would never ever buy a Creative card again, and how choked they were that Creative released sub-standard Vista drivers for far too long. Many smelt a conspiracy, suggesting that Creative purposely was limiting the functionality of their cards in order to encourage a enforced obsolesce on their products -- so people would be forced to buy new cards.

The forum thread is continually growing; it is currently up to 200 pages of pure vitriol and anger over Creative's move. Here is one of the thousands of posts: "I've bought $1000 worth of Creative products going back to the Soundblaster 16 including speakers and a DVD Rom. I was going to buy the XFi to replace my Audigy 2 ZS on my next build. At a critical time for the company, with descrete sound cards being a dying breed, Creative needs the enthusiast market. So why go and kick us in the teeth?"

In less than 24 hours, a boycottcreative.com website has appeared. [April 3rd edit: Reference to Newegg posting on Creatives forum deleted, as this has been confirmed as a illegitimate (see comments below.)]

You can read all the colorful and interesting forum posts over here. Hell hath no fury like a gamer scorned.

Afternoon update: There has been some forum chatter about filing a class action lawsuit against Creative Labs, because they have been putting 'Vista Ready' stickers on their sound card boxes, when in fact, the sound cards do not run well in Vista (according to numerous reports.) Creative might be taking the threat of a class action lawsuit over false advertising seriously, as they recently appended the following message onto the bottom of their website's forums: "Pricing, product specifications and availibility are subject to change without notice. Package contents may vary according to the different regions." Adding further evidence to the fact that this message was added in haste (perhaps panic), is that they spelled 'availability' incorrectly. (Pointed out by forum guy MJC420. And thanks for linking to Neoseeker, Palewook.)

April 2 update: It appears Creative might be back-tracking slightly now, in thanks to the public outrage. While it looks like the popular Vista drivers aren't coming back, a 'Audigy Support Pack' the brings stuff like DVD Audio and Hardware MIDI to the discontinued Audigy line is coming back.

While Creative's beef with Daniel_K's drivers may legitimately be that the drivers include IP that they can not distribute, they are having a very poor time communicating this with their customers, or making and conciliatory agreements with the sound card using masses. The pent-up displeasure with Creative and its "weaksauce" drivers continues to flow through the official forums.

Further update: Daniel_K spoke to Wired magazine, and gave a detailed list of all the stuff Creative did to limit the functionality of their products, and his thoughts on the situation. For instance, you can basically update your Audigy cards to the functionality of and X-Fi cards by using his modded drivers. While the physical hardware is very similar across the different series of sound cards, it was the Creative drivers that said xxx function would, or would not, be activated.

"Creative purposedly modified the Audigy drivers to disable some features when Vista is detected and also purposedly introduced some bugs to prevent some XP utilities from running," Daniel_K says, in one part of his letter.

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March 31st, 2008 12:47PM(PT)
bruceleethree
I wonder if NewEgg really posted that, if so they're the best tech company ever.
March 31st, 2008 12:53PM(PT)
bruceleethree
Wait did NewEgg post on the create site or boycott site and if so what page?
March 31st, 2008 1:02PM(PT)
kspiess
For more info on the NewEgg post, check out the Consumerist:
http://consumerist.com/373901/creative-sparks-customer-revolt-when-it-tries-to-silence-third+party-programmer

Personally I don't believe it was actually someone from NewEgg who posted. Judge for yourself.
March 31st, 2008 9:13PM(PT)
JAC
Phil O'Shaughnessy
Vice President, Corporate Communications
poshaughnessy@creativelabs.com
April 1st, 2008 10:26AM(PT)
kspiess
^^wouldn't bother mailing this dude. His email account is probably decimated by this point, more flooded than Kevin Costner's promised land in WaterWorld.
April 1st, 2008 10:21PM(PT)
The Slayer
Why dosnt Creative just fire half their driver writing team and hire that guy?

kspiess, it seems your suspicions were correct, this was on the link you posted "[Update 7:42 am PST: Newegg is still selling X-Fi cards this morning, and their chat-based CSR had no information regarding the supposed embargo." The post was also deleted from the thread.
April 2nd, 2008 11:04AM(PT)
kspiess
Well, that's the funny thing: that one guy working on his, without and source code, managed to make better Vista drivers in his spare time than any Creative employees. Just this lends credence to the idea that there is some sort of limiting of performance going on by Creative, in order to encourage the purchase of new cards. There really isn't any reason that older Audigy cards should not work fully and completely in Vista. Any non-marketing reasons anyways.

There is a little update to story which I'll throw in there now... Creative addressed the outrage yesterday.. .

April 2nd, 2008 11:17AM(PT)
Newegg PR
It has come to our attention that a recent post on the site claimed Newegg had severed its relationship with Creative. This is a false statement and was not issued by an entity authorized to speak on behalf of newegg.com. Newegg does not and will not comment on product quality or provide product reviews. For this we count on you, our customers, and our online forums like EggXpert.

Please disregard the blog entry and all references to the information it contains.
Thank you and apologies for any inconvenience caused.

Sincerely:
Newegg PR
April 2nd, 2008 11:49AM(PT)
The Slayer
Yeah, it does seem like creative is trying to make their old cards too 'out dated' to use on vista. They probably would have been better off at this point to have not said anything to that guy and kept their mouth shut..

If they can get the newer drives out soon, or at least some sort of update that may cool some people down. Is there any word on a class action lawsuit, or was that just a few members trying to scare creative?
April 3rd, 2008 4:27AM(PT)
Chas
The thing is this guy didn't 'code' anything.. he simply took the generic Creative driver downloads from their support page, 'blended' it with drivers for Creative products from Dell's support site (that were apparently uncrippled for Dell), modded the .inf files and re-released them. So while Daniel_K is not the 'ace' programmer some folks seem to think he is, it's certainly fair to say that Creative are a bunch of dishonest money-grabbers out to screw over their customers...
April 3rd, 2008 12:38PM(PT)
kspiess
A little bit of underhandedness in 'encouraging' customers to upgrade your products can be understood in hardware sales and marketing, but it did seem like Creative crossed the line a little too far, if Daniel_K's findings are true (which I have every reason to believe they are.)

Creative is in a bit of a tough spot. Its not like say, NVIDIA who can offer new video cards every year that are actually and really much faster than the last generation's release -- for sound cards, its like there really isn't too much farther you can go, in the way of improving sound quality and improving your product. For example, its pretty hard to distinguish a MP3 encoded at 128kps and 256kps. It's tough to out-do a Audigy, it pretty much can already satsify all your sound needs, so how can you convince people to buy more sound cards?

They would be much better off just trying to serve their customer base better, in order to increase sales.

The saddest thing for me when reading the forums was all the people that said they have been buying Creative cards since the SB16 days (for like the Wing Commander 2 Speech packs and stuff...ahh nostaliga) and have now said they would never buy Creative products again.

Newegg -=> Reference removed to the forum post.

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